[78-L] "Mystery" Country Record

[Taylor Bowie]

Good point about the often misplaced assumptions about who influenced whom.

Many seem to cling to the fantasy that Lester Young was being funny  or 
oblique when he spoke in an interview of being influenced by both Trumbauer 
and Jimmy Dorsey...I never thought so.  Nor do I think Ella Fitzgerald was 
trying to be sarcastic when she said that her first big influence was Connee 
Boswell.

I think a lot of it stems from the same frame of mind that says that a 
person from Japan,  all other things being equal,  will be a "better" sushi 
chef than someone from,  say,  Canada or Mexico.  It's so comforting for 
some people to just put things into their "proper slot" and not really think 
about it.

Good musicians have always been influenced by other good musicians, 
regardless of color or anything else.


Taylor



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cary Ginell" <soundthink at live.com>
To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] "Mystery" Country Record


>
> There were two red herrings at work here, then. First, the tune titles 
> were traditional white fiddle tunes. Most people (thanks in part to Wynton 
> Marsalis) assume that white people appropriated music from blacks, but 
> never, or rarely, the other way around. Second, the Perfect and Oriole 
> issues of this disc were issued in the hillbilly series. GD&R mentions 
> that the artists' names on these two issues were misspelled "Colman & 
> Harper." Mandolin was used by some African American string bands (such as 
> Howard Armstrong's groups), so this is not without precedent. According to 
> "Country Music Sources," the only other African American to have recorded 
> "Sourwood Mountain" was "Stovepipe No. 1" (Sam Jones). Now that I've got 
> DG&R open, I see that Evans and McClain (aka Coleman & Harper) recorded 2 
> sessions for Gennett in 1927 prior to their ARC session of 1931. There 
> don't appear to be any other songs from white tradition that they recorded 
> for ARC.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>> From: pf13 at cornell.edu
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:14:34 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] "Mystery" Country Record
>>
>> This is not in Russell because it is in Dixon, Godrich & Rye.  Presumably 
>> Evans & McClain were African-American.  There are other "country" 
>> performances that you might expect to appear in Russell's discography but 
>> do not, for the same reason, such as Jim & Andrew Baxter.
>>
>> Peter Fraissinet
>> West Danby NY
>> ________________________________________
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>> [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Cary Ginell 
>> [soundthink at live.com]
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:45 PM
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] "Mystery" Country Record
>>
>> As I noted earlier, the disc was recorded in May 1931 for ARC. Since it 
>> has been proven to exist as an ordinary ARC dime store issue, one wonders 
>> how Tony missed documenting it. The other side of the ARC discs by 
>> Coleman & Harper is "Sourwood Mountain," which also is documented in 
>> "Country Music Sources." I checked Art Satherley's log book, and there is 
>> no entry for this duo. Not having the Old Hat release, I don't know 
>> anything about the performers other than their real names, as mentioned 
>> previously. Were there other sides recorded at the session that produced 
>> these two songs? I have a Conqueror numerical but I'll have to do some 
>> digging to find out if somebody like Will Roy Hearne published numericals 
>> of the dime store catalogs to see if there were other recordings by this 
>> duo that exist.
>>
>> Cary Ginell
>>
>> > From: udmacon1 at hotmail.com
>> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:24:37 -0500
>> > Subject: [78-L] "Mystery" Country Record
>> >
>> >
>> > It's nowhere to be found in the Russell Country Music Dsscography. 
>> > After listening to it I think it was recorded within the last 20 years.
>> >
>> > GREAT rendition!
>> >
>> >
>> >
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