[78-L] LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.

[Dan Van Landingham]

What was the "Marathon-type" cutting process?I remember a Marathon Records label 
from the
late '20s.It was the first 7 inch 78 I ever saw save the Golden Records issues 
of the late '40s and
beyond.I recall they were pressed in yellow vinyl.I own the 7 inch Marathon in 
1964.By the way,
did Decca do any test pressings on vinyl?I say this because I was listening to a 
HEP CD of the
Chick Webb band and the final track,which had no title,was not issued before 
according to the li-ner notes.The arranger/composer credits went to alto and 
baritone saxist Edgar Sampson.This t-
rack dates from early 1940 and was an instrumental.The CD is called:Chick 
Webb-Strictly Jive
on HEP 1063.The side was cut on 20 Mar 1940.




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From: Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu>
To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 7:18:43 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.

My 12" Lyric of _William Tell_ gets the whole thing in, _uncut_, on 2 sides very 
comfortably; good tempos and a well-recorded performance. It usually takes 4 10" 
or 12", even on the Diamond Disc version (that's 2, incidentally, substantially 
cut). That's why I think they used the Marathon-type grooving.

P Carli
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From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] 
On Behalf Of Glenn Longwell [glongwell at snet.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [78-L] LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.

One last (for now) statement on the 9100 series Lyrics.  I had mentioned that 
only a few are known to be 12" with the rest 10."  Well, I just came across 
9105, a 10" record in my "to be listened to" stack and listened to the Poet and 
Peasant Overture, which clocked in at 6 minutes.  They essentially crammed a 12" 
song onto a 10" record with the grooves just about touching the label.  The 
opposite side I didn't time but it was no more than 3 minutes.

Glenn

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Han Enderman <jcenderman at solcon.nl> wrote:

From: Han Enderman <jcenderman at solcon.nl>
Subject: [78-L]  LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.
To: "78-L" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 4:40 PM

For anyone interested in the minutiae of label types it can be noted here -
possibly for the first time in 90 years - that 2 different types of label blanks
of the grey Lyric "cat" label exist, and both are shown at Glenn's site.
The first label type (also shown in ARLIE with 4702) has no dots in the rim
text after "AMERICA" & "NEWARK".  This type is used for all labels with the
indication "Lateral" and still used for the earliest issues which replace 
Lateral
by the price.
Then a new label blank was made, with 2 (!) additional dots - i.e. the kind of
difference I'm very fond of. Now the lower rim text reads:
"LYRAPHONE CO. OF AMERICA. NEWARK. N.J., U.S.A."
Also the position of the dot after "CO" is different.

I mentioned Lyric 4701 with a price and now it is confirmed that this is a later
pressing since ARLIE's 4702 states "Lateral".

My last image in the 9100 series (no 9200 series known to me) is 9108,
but contrary to 9107 it has a price of "In U.S.A. $1.25" (without Canada).
Is this a revised later price, or is this not 12"?

Han Enderman
===
>>>
I forgot to point out there was a Hebrew series and they also continued to
produce verticals alongside the laterals.  I don't have any of these records
and this brings in two other label designs that I don't have shown on my site.
Both of these are pictured in ARLIE.

Glenn

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Glenn Longwell <glongwell at snet.net> wrote:

From: Glenn Longwell <glongwell at snet.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 11:54 AM

Thank you for pointing that out Han.  I will fix it and also put in the reason 
why the price is higher.
This is 1 of 3 12" records I know of on Lyric, 9106, 9107, 9108.  I have 9105 
and it's a 10" record.
9103 and 9104 are listed as 10" and I haven't seen anything higher than 9108.

I haven't pulled together the discography yet for these but have most of the 
data to do so.
There was a 4100, 5100, 6100, 7100, 8100 and 9100 series for verticals.

For laterals they started at 4200, 5200, 6200, 7200, 8200 with numerous 
subseries in each of these,
like a 5900 for hymns.  I have not seen a 9200 series.  When I have the full 
discography put together
(with the data I have) I'll post more info on my site.

Han, I would be interested in seeing this 3791 image.  Could you please send it?

Regards,
Glenn

--- On Sun, 11/28/10, Han Enderman <jcenderman at solcon.nl> wrote:

From: Han Enderman <jcenderman at solcon.nl>
Subject: [78-L]  LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.
To: "78-L" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 9:25 AM

There were a number of Lyric "subseries", though I have no idea how many of 
them.
My first images in the 4000 series are in range 4101-4167, with both types of 
multicolor labels.
So these should be vertical. All were 75c in the US. (4140 titled "Some Jazz 
Blues"; fascinating).

Only the first laterals have been described as such, and I see "Lateral" on 
4201-4214
(but a price on 4217-4243), 4601 & 4901-4903.
4701 by Harry J. Clarke's Royal Waikiki Orch has a price ($1.00) but it will 
depend on the
release date if it also exists with "Lateral".
Range 5101-5152 has multicolored labels, but 5201-5213, 5602 & 5903 are 
"Lateral",
5216-5225 are $1.00.

These image series suggest that there are no 4001-4099 & 5001-5099 series.
An image of 3791 (Lydia Lindgren: Bird's Song) belongs to an unexplained series.

I'm surprised by the price of the 9000 series. Most are $1.25 in US, but 9107 
(1812 Overture)
is $2.00 ($2.35 in Canada). Why?
[Glenn there is a price typo in your text about this label picture].

Han Enderman
===
>>>
It is too bad you do not have any of the vertical Lyric discs because in
addition to the beautiful multicolor lithographed labels, the recordings
are sometimes extraordinary. The first one I got has orchestral
transcription of Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C Sharp Minor and the
overture to Midsummer Night's Dream. Both are wonderful recordings and
run at least 5 minutes each on the 10-inch sides.

Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
--------------
For all the label varieties of Lyric by Lyraphone records go to the bottom of 
this page.
There's also a link to the Lyric Phonograph which was the first incarnation of 
the company
before they reorganized and became a record producer.

http://www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm

Cheers,
Glenn

--- On Sat, 11/27/10, bruce78rpm at comcast.net <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> 
wrote:

From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net <bruce78rpm at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 9:55 PM

Those are all lateral groove records, you have no vertical cut Lyrics in that 
batch.
The Verticals would be from 4101 to 4170, and the laterals start after that .
The 4000 series were the dance records, 5000's were vocals and 6000's were
standard and classical.
4700's were the Hawaiian series. Hope this helps.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: 78records at cdbpdx.com
To: "78-l Online" <78-l at 78online.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:41:15 PM
Subject: [78-L] LYRIC Label by LYRAPHONE, Newark NJ.

Just brought home a collection of 78s and found 5 double sided LYRIC label
10" records by Lyraphone Co, Newark, NJ. Some poking around on the internet
shows these to be kind of scarce. 2 of them are marked Lateral and 3 have a
Price $1.00 instead on the label.

You can view them here:

http://78labels.cdbpdx.com/LYRIC/

I recorded a few they were vertical cut. I'm sure the 2 marked Lateral are 
lateral cut
but the other 3 I'm not sure of. The grooves look lateral cut to me, but they're 
not
marked as such.

Any comments?

Thanks! CDB
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