[78-L] Reissue 78's...

[Cary Ginell]

> From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:13:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Reissue 78's...
> 
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> On 11/13/2010 7:30 PM, Steven wrote:
> >> it was my apparent
> >> incorrect reference...! Nevertheless, ARC continued at least until early
> >> 1939...and its "corporate descendant" (whomever that was...?!) owned
> >> the rights to virtually all of the pre-WWII recordings!
> 
> Not really, Victor's holdings far exceeded ARC and Columbia.
> 
> >> Also, the "legitimate" record industry had been doing little in the way of
> >> reissuing noted jazz sides (and NOTHING for other music genres) prior
> >> to 1949;
> 
> NOT TRUE.  Columbia had a whole series of jazz reissue albums, and both
> Victor and Decca were doing a lot of jazz reissue albums and singles. 
> There were well over 50 reissue albums put out by the majors in the 40s,
> and they were starting to put them onto LPs in 1949 and 50.  As for the
> other music genres, what do you consider the gold label Victor Heritage
> Series of acoustical opera recordings.  Many of the classic electrical
> classical records were still in print and didn't need reissuing.
> 
> >> my idea is that the appearance of "pirate" reissues forced
> >> them to realize there WAS a market for such records...?!
> >> Steven C. Barr
> 
> That might be your idea, but that was not the truth as far as 1950 was
> concerned.  That IS the case in the 1930s, when they finally turned down
> a request for licensing (in 1939 or 40) by saying that they are going to
> start doing it themselves and they hired George Avakian and several
> other jazz record experts to find things of interest in their vaults.  
>  
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> > Note that no one has referred to the ;ate 40s 78 pirate reissues on Temple, 
> > Sentry, British Jazz Society (or some such similar name). 
> 
> You didn't mention Jazz Panarama, Jazz Classics, Viking, EMM ESS, ZEE
> GEE, Jazz Time, Circle, Special Edition, Biltmore, Paradox, Swing
> Society, Rampart, Mouldie Fygge, Castle, Ragtime Jazzdisc, Kornet,
> Clambake, Jump, Jazz Record Corner, New Orleans, Shrdlu, Asterdisk,
> Decatur, BRS, Knickerbocker, Jazz Record, Century, Vinylite Jazz
> Reissue, and several others I see discussed but might not have been
> doing unauthorized reissues.  I don't have Geoffrey's books here or else
> I could probably name a bunch of other labels of that era.  
> 
> > Interesting dubs on those labels and some of them weren't half bad transfers.
> 
> Many of them advertised that they were using or looking for new
> condition originals to dub from.
> 
> > And some of them were atrocious, like Zulu's Ball.
> 
> The ad on page 3 of the January 1950 Record Changer announcing the issue
> of this record says:
> "It is with a great deal of pride that Biltmore Records Announces To The
> Jazz Collecting World The release of the rarest of all Collectors Items.
>  Biltmore 1028 King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band playing ZULU'S BALL /
> WORKINGMAN BLUES.
> 
> "Here at last, for all to hear, is the almost legendary missing record
> from the great series of New Orleans classics waxed in 1923 by the
> greatest jazz band in history.  You've heard about it for years, but now
> you can hear it for yourself.  Contrary to our stated policy of
> releasing only from mint copies this record was pressed from a poor copy
> when dubbed.  But the music is clearly audible and in as much as another
> copy is not likely to show up we felt that this at least was better than
> nothing."  
> 
> > Mae West's "My Old Flame" turned up on two of these labels.
> 
> Biltmore was doing some Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, Marlene Deitrich,
> Helen Morgan and Gertrude Niesen in late 1951 just before the end came.
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  
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