[78-L] Gennett Art Tone

[Dan Van Landingham]

I was at an estate sale years ago and I found one Gennett "scroll".It had a 
gloss black label a la Victor.
I have had a few older Gennetts in the past fifty years:one label was a dark 
blue the other red.Speaking
of Gennett,what can you tell me about the "Joe Davis" label?I was given a filing 
cabinet full of 78s by my
late uncle Dave Morgan back in 1962 and there was a red and silver Joe Davis in 
the lot and the bottom
of the label read "Gennett Records,a division of the Starr Piano Company.I 
can''t recall neither the name
of the selection nor the artist.




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From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
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Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Gennett Art Tone

On 10/29/2010 9:22 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
> There are evidently 2 Art Tone labels:
> 1 - red ring label (ART TONE in small print), with 2-line rim text
> 2 - hexagonal label; Richmond Indiana.
>
If you have hexagonal labels they have to be very rare.
All the regular scroll Gennett labels I've ever seen are sextagonal (6 
sided).

> The first one I see on 10030, 12503, 14001&  15000.
> The 2nd label only in the 14000 series (14001/03/04 seen).
> All these 12500/14000 series records by Helen Ware.

Ah hah! So these series are either an afterthought or a "collection" of 
Ware's records using those issue numbers/label. Most of the regular ring 
labels are in in blue with gold lettering. VERY hard to read sometimes.

> 14001 1st version exists even with 2 label types: one ha price as
> $1.35 in USA / $1.50 in Canada, and on the other the Canadian price is
> listed first. Note that this label shows LATERAL below logo.
> 14003 2nd type (1st type(s)) not seen) also has 2 price variants:
> one has USA&  Canada prices, the other gives only $1.35.
> This suggest regular repressings. Is it possible that this is a private 
series,
> used for only a single artist?

Yes, I think so. See above.

> 15000 by Auguste Bouilliez gives $1.50 USA / $1.75 Canada. Maybe 12" ??
> I have seen no other issues in the 12000&  15000 series (and 13xxx prob not 
>used?).

The 13000 issue series were used Art-Tone records, too. There were all 
of 5 issues.
And there were only 2 issues in the 13500 series. Both series were 12" 
records.
The 12500 series went from 12501 to 12504 - 4 issues. They were 10" records.
> Some issues in the 10000 series state "Songs Of Carnegie Institute" (10052 
>plaid label)
> or "Songs of Ohio State University" (10045) and may be custom pressings?

Yes, they were. Why they were outside the 20000 Personal Series I do not 
know. BTW, there are plenty of Personal Series records with no issue 
numbers at all.
Thanks for the 2 pix!
Aloha to you,
Mal
> *******
>>>> I have the same label scan, Han. It would indeed appear that there are
> two 10000 series. The blue label in our scans is the early,
> pre-sextagonal, single ring circular label. The other 10000 series is
> Gennett Art-Tone and they have different material. Nailing down  the
> blue ring label10000 series has proved to be shaky because of lack of
> documentation - the Art-Tones have been a bit easier, but not much! I
> believe all of Ty's material came from (SF) Steve Abrams research. Next
> I speak with him I'll ask about this.
>
> The 20000 series numbers from the runouts of Dave's version of Ge 4670
> are what are puzzling me. I thought they might be consecutive Pathe
> issues. They're not.
>
> And the Art-Tone Gennetts I've seen are all 14000s, with the exception
> of 12503 A/B which is Swanee River and and Gentle Shadows (the scans are
> really lousy but I do have these titles in my database) both by Helen
> Ware. Having a 10030 issue on Art-Tone further confuses things.
>
> Mal
>
> *******
>
> On 10/29/2010 6:16 AM, Han Enderman wrote:
>> We are awaiting Mal finishing his morning coffee, and then his bright 
>>mind......
>>
>> I have a label image of Gnt 10015-A which is:
>> Gennett Band: Shim-Me-Sha-Wabble - $1.00 (blue label).
>>
>> This is very different from 10015 in Ty's list, showing
>>        10015 ETHEL TOMS ONLY A LITTLE WORD G01432 GE9080+ - - (-)
>>        10015 ROBERT CARR&  ETHEL TOMS SO NEAR THE KINGDOM G01410! - - - -
>>
>>
>> Images of 10019 (Elliott Shaw) agreeing with Ty have a normal green label.
>> 10030 by Frederic Martin on red Gnt Art Tone again differs from Ty's list.
>> So there were 2 Gnt 10000 series?
>>
>> Han Enderman
>> ===
>> Further confusion..here it is as 10009.
>> http://www.78discography.com/GNT10000.htm
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 10/29/2010 10:23 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> Hmm..per Ty's site, 4670 should be
>>>
>>> 4670     ALEX PRINCE     BELPHIGOR MARCH     -     -     -     -     -
>>> 4670     Signor FROSINI     AMOUREUSE WALTZ (accordion     -     -     -     - 
>>>    Signor Frosini
>>>
>>> So maybe this is a Canadian (Starr Gennett) number. Kinda confusing.
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2010 12:51 AM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>> Gennett 4670, as "G. Penrose" but undoubtedly Charles Penrose: "How We 
>Laugh"
>>>> b/w "The Cigar Girl". What's the source of this? Numbers (matrix?) 20492 
and
>>>> 20493 appear in the runout. "Cigar Girl" was done for Beka in 1912 and again 
>>>in
>>>> 1923 on Pathe 10523, both backed with other laughing songs.
>>>>
>>>> dl
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