[78-L] Pre Dog Questions

[Julian Futter]

I show some Seiden victor labels on my web site  http://jewishrecords.co.uk/ together with other labels of interest to this group.
The Seiden Hebrew record test pressing is a 10" and the kol nidre is a 7".
Julian Futter

> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 03:42:55 -0400
> From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Pre Dog Questions
> 
>   jeffrey smedbron wrote:
> >> Found this Pre dog Victor last week and noticed the date, some initials and
> >> title info is scribed in the area behind the label. Is this how these Victors
> >> were all identified at this time ?
> 
> Scratching the recording info in the label area of the master is a hold 
> over from the Berliner days.  As Steve  Barr mentions, this info is 
> suppressed in the "sunken label" pressings we later get in the U.S. but 
> is seen in flush label pressings in other countries, as well as in test 
> pressings.
> 
> >> It also has a matrix number of 3532 above the label.
> 
> 
> No, that is the catalog number in the 12 0'clock position.  This is a 
> "pre-matrix" record, which means the metal part pulled from the original 
> wax is the only stamper.  It was recorded on Sept 5, 1901 as both a 
> 7-inch version on A-930 and this ten inch version which Moran & Fagen 
> call M-930.  Copies that were still being sold in 1902 were often 
> renumbered to match the 7-inch, so it might sometimes have a 930 sticker 
> over the 3532 catalog number on the label.  And example of a stickered 
> label will be picture II-7 in the forthcoming new edition of Mike 
> Sherman' Collector's Guide of Victor Records.
> 
> >> Is this a first issue. ?
> 
> Yes.
> >>    Is it known how many of this issue were
> >> produced ?
> 
> This record does not have a sales figure in M&F but the 7-inch version 
> sold 380 copies.
> >> Pics:
> >> http://merr.com/users/xcentrik/3532a.jpg
> >> http://merr.com/users/xcentrik/3532b.jpg
> >>
> >> Jeff S
> >>
> >>
> On 9/7/2010 4:04 PM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
> > I am thinking this is an eatry Monarch.
> 
> It is late as a pre-dog Monarch, since that series began in January 1901 
> at 3001 and ended in Jan 1902 at 3622.
> 
> > My ERJ records do not say
> > Monarch, and my Monarchs do not say ERJ. To find one with both is
> > surprising, but sweet!
> >
> > joe salerno
> >
> >
> The ten inch ERJ labels say either Victor Ten Inch Record or Victor 
> Monarch Record.  The Ten Inch version was only used in the first week of 
> January 1901.  Are those the ones you have, or are you talking about 
> 7-inch discs?  The November-December 1900 7-inch pressings will say 
> Improved Record, and those from late Dec 1900 through 1901 will say 
> Victor Record.  Johnson's name is dropped sometime in Oct-Nov 1901 and 
> then the labels that say Victor Talking Machine Co will say Victor 
> Monarch Record on both sizes until the introduction of the Nipper 
> trademark.  There will be a chart in the new book.
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> 
> 
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