[78-L] Columbia sublabels [was MGM-Supertone connection?]

[Han Enderman]

I assume that the original reference to Supertone is a reading error.
Rust (JR & ADBD) lists only 2 Teddy Joyce titles, ...Sam/Gotta..., 
on Har 1009-H and SR 1072-P, and Gotta also on SR 1076-P.
Apparently SR was interpreted as Supertone, instead of (Columbia) Special Record.
So there is no relation between Supertone and (old) M-G-M & Publix.

The odd thing is that Rust does not attempt to show the real label names, but uses the
general identification "SR".
I have numerous label images in the (Co) 1000-P series, and have found no numerical 
duplicates on these client labels. 
There seems to be a single 1xxx-P series, with each cat.nr used only on a single client label.
First known (to me) is Special Record 1001-P Desert Song by Bar Harbor Soc Orch.,
which was issued in a special sleeve stating 'Desert Song / Theatre Special'.
1076-P (Gotta Feelin'For You, as by 'The CAPITOLIANS'; reverse unknown) is on M-G-M, 
and thus pres. 1072-P is on another label (I do not have an image of 1072-P).
There also was a Publix 2000 series (why?). E.g., 2008-P (mx 149616) I Have To Have You, by
The Paramounteers, A. Hanshaw-v.

Is there a numerical list of this 1000/2000-P series?

I have NO image of Har 1009-H, and assume it is rare. Of the same coupling on VT 2009-V 
I have both east coast & west coast label images. 
Since Rust lists 1009-H only, is there a possibility that 1009-H is unissued? I also have never seen 
Diva 3009-G. 
Note that 1012-H/2012-V/3012-G by Annette Hanshaw (Tip-Toe/What Wouldn't I Do For That Man)
is common on all 3 labels.

Julian, which issues are listed in the new ADBD for these 2 Joyce titles?

There was a short Supertone 1000-S series made by Columbia for Strauss & Schram.
This is different from the Co Special/Publix/M-G-M series.

Han Enderman
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>>> I am searching on an MGM disk on Ebay with an MGM label, performed by 
Teddy Joyce and the Capitolians (Capitol Theater Orchestra, Broadway 
NY). The number, 1076P, coincides with a Supertone by Teddy Joyce and 
the Penn State Rec.(?) Is this that same recording and is there a 
connection between these 2 labels?
I look in MGM in the online database and those 4 digit numbers don't 
show up.
- Mark L. Bardenwerper, Sr.
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This label is actually properly called Metro Goldwyn Mayer and is a Columbia client label, similar to Paramount Publix and "Special Record"..material usually from the same sources, mostly Harmony, often by the Golden Gate Orchestra (aka California Ramblers). There shouldn't be any connection with Supertone other than the same artists probably having recorded for both labels.
dl
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Okay..one side of this disc is also on Harmony 1009-H and [Client Label] 1072-P, "Gotta Feelin' For You". The other Teddy Joyce side (on 1009H and 1072P) that's in the Columbia Books is "Collegiate Sam" but not shown as being on 1076-P. Date is September 11, 1929.
dl
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The 1###-P series was used by Columbia for any/all "private label" issues
of Harmony-derived sides.
There was, IIRC, a "Supertone" (non-Sears) label which carried these 1###-P 
numbers?!
(barr)
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Not played in the theaters, SOLD in the theaters...
(mb)
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This Teddy Joyce is a great record.  In my experience,  it's been hard to 
find a copy which does not have some buzzed-out highs on both sides.
I've owned a half-dozen copies over the years,  all on Velvet Tone...sort of 
an odd coincidence.
Taylor Bowie
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The new ADBD only identifies JD. Not sure if I have "Collegiate Sam" on 
a Sunbeam LP
Julian Vein
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