[78-L] How Bing Crosby morphed into Frank Sinatra.!!!!!! [FWD]

Wed Jun 2 14:59:43 PDT 2010

Even in the 30s, many "professional" studios produced horrible recordings that were issued by specialty labels. Musicraft recorded Alec Templeton for Gramophone Shop, The Revuers and the Cradle Will Rock cast album for its own label and an undermiked Josh White-Sidney Bechet collaboration issued by Blue Note, and the results were no better than you'd get on your own home disc cutter recording Uncle Moishe at his sister's 75th birthday party.

> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:50:12 +0100
> From: ampex354 at gmail.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] How Bing Crosby morphed into Frank Sinatra.!!!!!! [FWD]
> 
> I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of those producing topmost-quality
> music today (meaning the percentage of those today who could perform in a
> studio to the musical standards of the best of the 78 era performers, under
> the same recording conditions as was standard then), relative to the number
> of people making (or trying to make) music, is not much different than it
> was in the 78 era.
> 
> It's just that for most of the 78 era recording equipment was not something
> most people could purchase, or use adequately if they could get any
> equipment at all. The average punter was denied access to the best studios,
> as they were built, owned and operated by, the major record labels typically
> solely for their own use in the production of their own releases (with
> Brunswick, Gennett and Columbia being the most notable exceptions via their
> personal record divisions). Home recording equipment did not lend itself to
> making recordings that could be replicated at all....
> 
> Nowadays literally anyone can get hold of some recording equipment, make
> their own recordings and disseminate them on a scale undreamt of back then.
> Methinks there's good stuff newly minted today, but now you have to wade
> through a LOT of muck to get to it.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 9:20 PM, simmonssomer <simmonssomer at comcast.net>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Thanks Dave...you beat me to it.
> > Ten four.
> > Fnarfing off.
> >
> > Al S.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> > To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] How Bing Crosby morphed into Frank Sinatra.!!!!!! [FWD]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Don't let the doorknob hitcha. This is without a doubt the rudest bunch
> > of
> > > flaming idiocy I've seen since that moron whose sun rose and set on Glenn
> > > Miller was turfed out of the group.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Obviously there are people out there who believe there's some merit in
> > > music being created today. They wouldn't know Mozart or Jerome Kern or
> > > melody or good lyrics from a hole in the ground and as long as they keep
> > > deafening themselves with earbuds and don't blast it out at me from an
> > > open jeep, that's fine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While you're at it, why do you hide behind a pseudonym? Identify yourself
> > > before you call us stupid and illiterate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > dl
> > >
> > >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:53:01 +0000
> > >> From: fnarf at comcast.net
> > >> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [78-L] How Bing Crosby morphed into Frank Sinatra.!!!!!!
> > >> [FWD]
> > >>
> > >> Not to put too fine a point on it, but your comment here is stupid and
> > >> illiterate.
> > >>
> > >> Is LCD Soundsystem trash? Are the Decembrists "cr*p"? Have you ever
> > heard
> > >> of these names? Do you know anything except what you see on "American
> > >> Idol"? Not to mention the wide world of popular music out there in other
> > >> languages. Los Tigres Del Norte, anyone?
> > >>
> > >> Old white people don't know how to listen to modern music, it's a fact.
> > >> You're PAST DATE. You could spend the rest of your life listening to the
> > >> production of Timbaland and never hear a damn thing. Culture, history,
> > >> sensitivity, education -- that all stops in what, 1945? 1970? Where's
> > >> your "I'm too old to listen to anything more, it confuses me" cutoff?
> > >>
> > >> Cutting edge punk? What the hell? Punk is 35 years old. Is James Blunt
> > >> sh*t? Well, thank god there weren't any sh*t artists in the 30s, or the
> > >> 50s.
> > >>
> > >> You people just keep going on talking about your little hobby without
> > me.
> > >> I've got better things to do than listen to the likes of Martha here,
> > and
> > >> Steve Goddamn Barr. Don't talk to me about culture; you people have no
> > >> culture. You've only got some old records. You're all dead inside.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "martha" <MLK402 at verizon.net>
> > >> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2010 1:00:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> > >> Subject: Re: [78-L] How Bing Crosby morphed into Frank Sinatra.!!!!!!
> > >> [FWD]
> > >>
> > >> Nice little PC commentary, but "here we go again" like Hell ! Too "old"?
> > >> "Don't know how?" Since WHEN do ears forget "how" to listen, or the
> > brain
> > >> to
> > >> appreciate? You, in fact, are the spectacularly, stupidly wrong one. The
> > >> making and appreciation of popular music has been declining, if not
> > >> already
> > >> dead, for decades. The cr*p being foisted on everyone today is nothing
> > >> but
> > >> ignorant garbage, and utterly devoid of culture, history, sensitivity,
> > >> and
> > >> education. It IS bad, and it IS trash .
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>
> > >> > --------------------------------------------------
> > >> > From: <fnarf at comcast.net>
> > >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Here we go again. Your value judgement (no good music today) is
> > >> >> ludicrous,
> > >> >> and your factual statement (everything today is 1962 James Brown) is
> > >> >> not
> > >> >> just wrong but spectacularly and stupidly wrong. James Brown's 1962
> > >> >> riffs
> > >> >> etc. are not even particularly evident today, though you'll
> > >> >> occasionally
> > >> >> hear some of his 1972 ones. But not that often.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just because you're old and don't know how to listen to modern music
> > >> >> or
> > >> >> even where to find it doesn't mean it's bad. "Urban dance" as a
> > >> >> category
> > >> >> description is about 25 years out of date, and apparently so are you.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It does the appreciation of older music no favors to denigrate the
> > >> >> new.
> > >>
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