[78-L] Whiteman's"Sweet Sue"

[David Lennick]

Actually, look at both red label issues..they have different matrix numbers. The fine groove complete one is 24050-1 and the truncated one is 27xxx (something)..as I say, my books are packed away and the records are on a truck so I can't pinpoint numbers here. But to my ear, take 1 on 12-inch is different from what's on ten-inch, although I'll cheerfully stand corrected. The differences are in the vocal (a twist in Fulton's voice that I never heard before) and just before Bix's chorus starts. Dubs and takes have been misnumbered before and in fact a first attempt at dubbing the twelve-incher WOULD be take 1 under its new number and wouldn't have shown the original #, although they usually indicated when an unreleased take was being used by printing "second master" on the reissue label.

Hmm.

dl
 
> From: david.diehl at hensteeth.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 02:35:14 +0000
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Whiteman's"Sweet Sue"
> 
> Take a deep breath everybody. Now exhale slowly. "Sweet Sue" on Columbia 50103-D is take one. I have a copy in front of me. The dub of take one on red label Columbia exists in two forms with identical mx and take numbers: 24050-1. I have both copies in front of me. The original release is truncated as per Avakian's notes. Later copies are fine-groove dubs of the same take. What are the odds that you have discovered the find of the 21st century?
> ZERO!
> DJD
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> Now I want to go down to the basement and find that Bix album and compare...seems odd that no one had discovered this before, but I believe you!T----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lennick" To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:48 PMSubject: Re: [78-L] Whiteman's "Sweet Sue">> And mny albums aren't here yet and my books are, but the SHELVES aren't. > The disc I played this evening was definitely take 1 and it was definitely > different from the ten-inch dub, which I've known for decades. (The dub > also exists in complete form with a different matrix number on all > post-1941 pressings, which confused me mightily when I read George > Avakian's note about "dropping the florid introduction" since the side ran > 4:20.)>>>> dl>>> From: bowiebks at isomedia.com>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com>> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 21:29:04 -0700>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Whiteman's "Sweet Sue">>>> Both Rust and Evans/Dean-Myatt say that the red Columbia is a truncated
> >> dub>> of Take 1, and that Takes 2-4 were rejected.>>>> Are they wrong? My reference books are available but my 78 album sets are>> pretty much all packed up.>>>> Taylor>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Lennick" >> To: <78-l at 78online.com>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:56 PM>> Subject: [78-L] Whiteman's "Sweet Sue">>>>>> >>> > My books are still packed away so I can't look this one up. Which take >> > of>> > Whiteman's "Sweet Sue" was reissued (on ten inch 78) in the Bix album? >> > We>> > were playing a few oldies on the Credenza tonight and the beat-up>> > twelve-inch of Sweet Sue, Take 1, is definitely not the same take.>> >>> >>> >>> > dl>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >