[78-L] KKK records

[Bertrand CHAUMELLE]

Le 2 mars 10, à 06:40, Michael Biel a écrit :

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> Bertrand CHAUMELLE wrote:
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>> +++I've read a few books about the Nazi regime, that includes some
>> excerpts from 'M.K.', of course.
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> And that is what I meant by "second hand information".  But the authors
> and researchers of those books DID actually read the book, or at least 
> I
> hope they did -- otherwise their books would not be properly researched
> or trustworthy.
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***So I can rely on their work; I don't have enter that world myself, 
because I'm afraid of the contagion of ideas. Can you understand that ?
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> If you want to write about them authoritatively you do need access to
> them somehow.
***But I don't want to WRITE about them. I just want to READ, 
sometimes, that's wholly different.

>  For example, could you write about how jazz sounded
> without ever hearing some of it?  If you did write without hearing it,
> the writing would be worthless.
***I think that you're showing some kind of unsensitivity by equalling 
KKK records with jazz records. At its best, jazz is an art form. The 
same cannot be said about the former. That's the risk of contagion I 
was talking about. Remember the highly educated guy who said your 
President was a N.... ? He explained that it was natural to speak like 
that because it was "in the spirit of the times" (the time of the music 
he was studying). He made no apologies, he just thought it was OK. I 
don't want to become like him, see ?

I want to draw the line between what's attractive (jazz, and hence, 
collectible), and what is repulsive (to be destroyed).
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>> +++Of course, I've heard about autodafés and 'Fahrenheit 451'.
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> No, I'm talking about the Nazi book burnings, not fiction.
***That's what 'autodafé' means: burning of books, or persons, during 
the Inquisition, and during the '30's in Germany. See the monument on 
Bebbelplatz in Berlin.
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> No, I'm talking about what actually happened in 1933 when the Nazi book
> burnings was just a part of the suppression of the ideas in those books
> -- it included the disbanding of schools and eventually the murder of 
> the writers and the readers.
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>> I see those stupid records as dead things, dead leaves that you can
>> burn in your backyard when winter comes, nothing more.
>>
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> You only wish they were dead things.  The Nazis hoped the things they
> burned were dead things -- fortunately they weren't.  And there ARE
> those that still believe in these things also -- and pretending they
> aren't there won't cause them to disappear.
***Please don't call me a 'negationist'. I'm not asking you to pretend 
anything, you can write volumes about those records if you want. I just 
don't want listen to them, to deal with them in any 'real' manner 
whatsoever. This isn't a denial of their existence, it's an affirmation 
of their repulsiveness.
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>> Here in France, there was a record label, SERP, dedicated to that kind
>> of documents: Hitler speeches, and so on. Do you think its purpose was
>> to enlighten the masses and to avoid the propagation of racism ?
>
> But it could be used that way.
***That's why i told you (see below) about that TV channel: it's an 
example of a benevolent organization which has no efficiency.
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>> SERP
>> was owned by the extreme-right political leader Jean-Marie Le Pen,
>> Hitler's most fervent admirer. He's still around, by the way.
>> On TV, we have a French-German channel, the 5th, airing very 
>> frequently
>> movies about the Holocaust.
>> Believe me, racist acts are on the rise everywhere in France, in
>> stadiums, in cemetaries...
>
> ... in government decrees.
***In France, you mean ? you're totally mistaken. But it's not the 
place to argue about it.
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>>> But history is repeating itself  It may happen sooner than you think.
>>>
>> +++I know that history is repeating itself. We could speak about
>> Serbia, for instance. How that tragedy could have been prevented ? By
>> telling the 'history of the past' to determined racists ? I just don't
>> believe it's efficient.
>
> No, the knowledge of the past is for those who could have prevented it
> -- to help them to have recognized the signs of what was possibly 
> coming 
> again because it is how it happened the earlier time.
>
***I'm sure you know that Hitler, in one of his speeches, before 
extermination camps were operating, told the German people about the 
Armenian genocide. He said that Turkey had gotten away with it, so it 
would be a cinch to do the same in Germany with the 'parasites'. Or 
something to that effect...

So, he knew about the past, and the people also knew....but they didn't 
want to understand, and against that, there's nothing you can do.

BC
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