[78-L] Record Stores

Thu Feb 11 14:20:23 PST 2010

The 42 st. store was a one aisle small, small location with, as I mentioned, 
counter on right and three listening booths to the left. No other items for 
sale as there really was no room. Any possibility Milt opened the 52 st. 
location to have room for other labels? I really just looked in at the 52 
st. location but I remember it as having a little more room. Hope my 
memories are not confusing the issue.

Howard H.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cary Ginell" <soundthink at live.com>
To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Record Stores

I wouldn't know for sure. It seems to me that the 52nd St. outlet, the one 
that Milt ran, sold just records. The 42nd St. store might have still 
stocked appliances plus records at the time you were there, but Julius had 
been ordering 78s from Victor, Columbia, Decca, et. al. since the '20s. so I 
would guess that both outlets carried other labels in addition to Commodore 
and UHCA.

Cary Ginell

> From: hhoffmst at charter.net
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:50:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Record Stores
>
> Gary, that looks like the 52nd st. store, which I was in once while
> clubbing. Any chance, 42nd st only Commodore, 52nd st other labels also?
> I definitely remember the counter in the 42nd st store as being on the 
> right
> as you walked in.
>
> Howard H.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cary Ginell" <soundthink at live.com>
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Record Stores
>
>
>
> Here's a link to the image:
>
>
>
> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?gottlieb:2:./temp/~ammem_rMhs::displayType=1:m856sd=gottlieb:m856sf=10631:@@@
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>
>
> Cary Ginell
>
> > From: soundthink at live.com
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:24:08 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Record Stores
> >
> >
> > I don't mean to challenge your memory about Commodore, but there is a
> > photograph of the interior of the Commodore Shop taken in 1947 that 
> > shows
> > a whole array of different records. You can even see a customer 
> > purchasing
> > the Kid Ory Columbia 78 album with the Jim Flora art cover. They never
> > would have been able to stay in business selling only new Commodore
> > records. Gabler was too smart a businessman to restrict his customers to
> > just buying his own stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > Commodore did have two storefronts at one time, though; Milt opened his
> > own shop in 1938 at 46 W. 52nd St. (the original shop was at 144 E. 42nd
> > St.). Not being old enough to have visited either shop, I don't know 
> > what
> > the differences were between the two locations.
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1926, Julius Gabler (Milt's father) contacted all the major record
> > companies and had them send him the latest jazz releases. As far as I
> > know, the store stocked all new jazz records from then on, and augmented
> > the stock with the Commodore and UHCA releases as they came out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cary Ginell
> >
> > > From: hhoffmst at charter.net
> > > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:10:36 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Record Stores
> > >
> > > As I recall my weekly visits in the forties, Commodore only sold
> > > Commodore
> > > records, and only new.
> > >
> > > Howard H.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Steven C. Barr" <stevenc at interlinks.net>
> > > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Record Stores
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> > > >> Cary Ginell wrote:
> > > >>> I'm finishing up my book on Hollywood's Jazz Man Record Shop, and 
> > > >>> in
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> first chapter, I discuss the Commodore Shop. My research shows 
> > > >>> that
> > > >>> they
> > > >>> started selling records as early as 1926, not 1933.
> > > >>> Cary Ginell
> > > >>>
> > > >> It's too bad Milt Gabler never did the autobiography everyone asked
> > > >> him
> > > >> to do, but all the ads are there, and Billy Crystal has his 
> > > >> uncles's
> > > >> and
> > > >> his father's stuff. His father managed the store when Milt went to
> > > >> Decca. Again I mention the interesting DVD Billy did a few years 
> > > >> ago
> > > >> about his Uncle Milt.
> > > >>
> > > > But Commodore even started and ran their own label! Did they also 
> > > > sell
> > > > new records on other labels...and, if so, more than one label or 
> > > > group
> > > > thereof? That is the change in record sales that I'm trying to
> > > > date...?!
> > > >
> > > > Steven C. Barr
> > > >
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