[78-L] UNIQUE BIX BEIDERBECKE 1927 OKEH METAL MOTHER!
Scott
scott at mosaicrecords.com
Thu Feb 4 12:40:26 PST 2010
xFrom my experience of plowing through hundreds of metals, lacquers and test
pressings via Sony (Col) and BMG (Vic), the Columbia parts (along with
Voc/Br/OK - not much in the way of other ARC labels) have a negative and
positive. Sometimes you will find two of each...not all the time, but
sometimes. And then it's a real shot in the dark what shape these are in. As
for Victor (and Bluebird) the metals are almost always in great shape with a
vast majority of vinyl tests that were made from the 40s on up to the late
60s.
By the way, the eboy listing for that Bix I was not able to see since the
bidding had ended. Can someone send me that link or at least an image of the
disc (which really should be in the hands of Sony!).
Thanks a bunch.
Scott Wenzel
Mosaic Records
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:39:43 +0100
From: "Han Enderman" <jcenderman at solcon.nl>
Subject: [78-L] UNIQUE BIX BEIDERBECKE 1927 OKEH METAL MOTHER!
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A general question about mothers.
When the negative father was produced, did they keep it in the archives to
produce mothers in the future,
or did they make immediately one to several mothers, depending on expected
sales, and recycle the father?
Do the Co/OK mater pressings in Europe (on Odeon/Parlophone etc) also show
mother/stamper numbers?
Should the auctioned mother have a mother letter?
Han Enderman
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:51:44 -0600
From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] UNIQUE BIX BEIDERBECKE 1927 OKEH METAL MOTHER!
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On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 15:39 +0100, Han Enderman wrote:
> A general question about mothers.
> When the negative father was produced, did they keep it in the archives to
produce mothers in the future,
> or did they make immediately one to several mothers, depending on expected
sales, and recycle the father?
In US terminology, the negative is actually called the 'matrix', and
there can only ever be one of those because the original master
wax/lacquer recording is destroyed by the process of plating and peeling
the matrix, due to the soft consistency of the surface of the master.
However, one matrix can spawn quite a few mothers; in general practice I
believe the matrix and at least one mother were kept on file. It's the
mother that is plated to produce the stampers.
MS
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:58:18 -0500
From: Geoffrey Wheeler <dialjazz at verizon.net>
Subject: [78-L] Al Jazzbo Collins Brunswick Record Sleeve
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These recordings for Hip Kids are great fun! When the stories first
appeared in Down Beat, they caused a great sensation among my friends
in high school. I had shared my copies of Down Beat with them. Some
even bought the records, although I didn?t at the time. Later, I
acquired the Jazzbo Collins with sleeve, and in 2007 while in
Stratford, Canada acquired Brunswick 80231 with Steve Allen narrating
?Jack and the Beanstalk? and ?Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.? I would
say CDB was lucky to find an intact sleeve for the Jazzbo. Brunswick
touted Brunlite as being ?unbreakable Under Normal Use,? but then isn?t
every 78?
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:11:53 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Al Jazzbo Collins Brunswick Record Sleeve
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The Brunswick release WAS pressed on good vinyl, in the US..Canada got
shellacked. I found that Jazzbo record, mint, in the original sleeve, in
1959
or '60 at Fred Roden's on Bathurst St. in Toronto for 59 cents (the US
pressing). His Capitols were harder to find and probably never issued in
Canada.
dl
Geoffrey Wheeler wrote:
> These recordings for Hip Kids are great fun! When the stories first
> appeared in Down Beat, they caused a great sensation among my friends
> in high school. I had shared my copies of Down Beat with them. Some
> even bought the records, although I didn?t at the time. Later, I
> acquired the Jazzbo Collins with sleeve, and in 2007 while in
> Stratford, Canada acquired Brunswick 80231 with Steve Allen narrating
> ?Jack and the Beanstalk? and ?Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.? I would
> say CDB was lucky to find an intact sleeve for the Jazzbo. Brunswick
> touted Brunlite as being ?unbreakable Under Normal Use,? but then isn?t
> every 78?
> ________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:38:43 -0500
From: Geoffrey Wheeler <dialjazz at verizon.net>
Subject: [78-L] "Midnight, The Stars And You", Al Bowlly vocal refrain
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> always over 150 bucks! people know this song because is in the final
> sequence of THE SHINING with
> Jack Nicholson
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=260543181992&ssPageName=S
> TRK:MEWAX:IT
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:50:44 -0500
From: Geoffrey Wheeler <dialjazz at verizon.net>
Subject: [78-L] Mary Martin, Mary Martin
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Julian Vein Says: I've always thought it strange that Texas, a state
about the same size
as Europe, would have only one book depository!
A recurring problem in the State of Texas are school boards that ban
certain books and authors. A recent case is that of a toxic board
member who voted to ban a book by an author she deemed ?leftist.? Turns
out the author was a well-known author of (non-leftist) children?s
books. .
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:48:53 +0000 (UTC)
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Even better, she wanted to ban it ("Brown Bear, Brown Bear, Where Are You?"
because the author, Bill Martin, also wrote a book entitled "Ethical
Marxism". Except that it was a DIFFERENT BILL MARTIN.
Geniuses.
http://www.examiner.com/x-15870-Populist-Examiner~y2010m1d25-Texas-book-bann
ing-proves-youre-deep-in-the-heart-of-stupid
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Julian Vein Says: I've always thought it strange that Texas, a state
about the same size
as Europe, would have only one book depository!
A recurring problem in the State of Texas are school boards that ban
certain books and authors. A recent case is that of a toxic board
member who voted to ban a book by an author she deemed ?leftist.? Turns
out the author was a well-known author of (non-leftist) children?s
books. .
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:49:00 -0500
From: "smille1 at nycap.rr.com" <smille1 at nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Midnight, The Stars And You, Al Bowlly vocal
refrain
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...Warren Hodgeton has sold 3 copies of this recently. One went just over
$300, I believe and it IS NOT a rare record! I have two copies that are at
least E that each cost me about $5 at record shows in the last couple of
years.
I guess if you have it to spend....
Sean
Original Message:
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From: Geoffrey Wheeler dialjazz at verizon.net
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:38:43 -0500
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
Subject: [78-L] "Midnight, The Stars And You", Al Bowlly vocal refrain
> always over 150 bucks! people know this song because is in the final
> sequence of THE SHINING with
> Jack Nicholson
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=260543181992&ssPageName=S
> TRK:MEWAX:IT
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:53:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: fnarf at comcast.net
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refrain
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Dude! Sounds like there's $600 waiting for you right over there on Ebay!
Ours not to reason why, ours just to take their money away from them.
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Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 9:49:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [78-L] Midnight, The Stars And You, Al Bowlly vocal refrain
...Warren Hodgeton has sold 3 copies of this recently. One went just over
$300, I believe and it IS NOT a rare record! I have two copies that are at
least E that each cost me about $5 at record shows in the last couple of
years.
I guess if you have it to spend....
Sean
Original Message:
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From: Geoffrey Wheeler dialjazz at verizon.net
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:38:43 -0500
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
Subject: [78-L] "Midnight, The Stars And You", Al Bowlly vocal refrain
> always over 150 bucks! people know this song because is in the final
> sequence of THE SHINING with
> Jack Nicholson
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=260543181992&ssPageName=S
> TRK:MEWAX:IT
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:06:10 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Mary Martin, Mary Martin ^
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We gotta change the subject line once in a while (and I'm guilty for having
steered it towards The First Family and the Texas book suppository in the
first
place)..I couldn't figure why on earth Mary Martin or Mary Rodgers would
have
wanted to ban "Three to Make Ready" (the original subject of this thread).
dl
fnarf at comcast.net wrote:
> Even better, she wanted to ban it ("Brown Bear, Brown Bear, Where Are
You?" because the author, Bill Martin, also wrote a book entitled "Ethical
Marxism". Except that it was a DIFFERENT BILL MARTIN.
>
> Geniuses.
>
>
http://www.examiner.com/x-15870-Populist-Examiner~y2010m1d25-Texas-book-bann
ing-proves-youre-deep-in-the-heart-of-stupid
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoffrey Wheeler" <dialjazz at verizon.net>
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2010 9:50:44 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [78-L] Mary Martin, Mary Martin
>
>
> Julian Vein Says: I've always thought it strange that Texas, a state
> about the same size
> as Europe, would have only one book depository!
>
> A recurring problem in the State of Texas are school boards that ban
> certain books and authors. A recent case is that of a toxic board
> member who voted to ban a book by an author she deemed ???leftist.???
Turns
> out the author was a well-known author of (non-leftist) children???s
> books. .
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