[78-L] Ethel Waters (was Louis Armstrong

[fnarf at comcast.net]

Oh, that's true.

Here's a question: Wikipedia says Waters was the fifth black female singer to make a record (for Cardinal, in 1921). Who were the first four?

Mamie Smith, 1920
Lucille Hegamin, 1920
Ma Rainey?
Alberta Hunter?

Bessie Smith, Ida Cox, and Viola McCoy (Clara White) started a bit later.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Taylor Bowie" <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:36:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [78-L] Louis Armstrong

I have always thought that just about everyone,  Louis included,  learned 
something from Ethel Waters.

Taylor



----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: [78-L] Louis Armstrong


> Billie Holiday got more from Louis Armstrong than she did from Crosby. I'm 
> tempted to say Mildred Bailey, too. Connee Boswell. Tons of female singers 
> learned how to phrase from Louis; everybody did.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Sultanof" <jeffsultanof at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:59:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Louis Armstrong
>
> Cary,
>
> Point well taken. And yet where would Crosby have been without Armstrong?
> When Bing wanted to, he could swing with the best of them.
>
> I think this is one of those issues where it depends on one's semantics. I
> personally think Bing and Satch are both equally important and influential
> in different ways. Personally, I think most jazz and many pop singers were
> certainly touched by Armstrong, and many jazz and pop artists were touched
> by Crosby. I daresay that Buble, Feinstein and Krall would be different
> singers if they had not heard Armstrong.
>
> My take, anyway.
>
> Jeff Sultanof
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now please bear in mind that my intention is not to denigrate Armstrong's
>> importance as a singer. He did things to a song that nobody did before 
>> him
>> or could do since. I just wouldn't go as far as some who have already
>> spoken. All you have to do is listen today to Michael Buble, Michael
>> Feinstein, or Diana Krall, and tell me who you hear in their voices: 
>> Louis
>> Armstrong or Bing Crosby?
>>
>> Cary Ginell
>>
>>
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