[78-L] Baldwin label for sale - Val Ernie

[Taylor Bowie]

What I have learned about this record via our friend,  Mr. (or is it Ms.?) 
Google:

There was for sure a Val Ernie Orchestra in Florida from around 1930 into at 
least the late 40s.

The composer of the song on the label wrote other songs,  one published at 
least as far back as 1907,  and was associated with a famous family of Coney 
Island developers and restaurant owners.

So I'm guess that this is some kind of vanity pressing,  paid for by the 
composer,  who may have gotten to know Mr. Ernie during vacations to 
Florida.

Also...if you look at the endpapers of the Leo Walker book on dance bands, 
you'll see a giant c. 1940 poster with headshots of all the bandleaders 
under contract to MCA...and there is Val among them.

I have written to the seller to ask what is on the other side...no reply 
yet.


Taylor


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Malcolm Rockwell" <malcolm at 78data.com>
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Baldwin label for sale


>I have three Baldwin labels in my label collection (mostly gleaned from
> ePay over the years: B-495, B-497 & B-505). The first two are by Val
> Ernie and 505 is by Helen Cavanaugh. All three have double eccentric
> rings after the runout, closest to the labels. I don't think Gennett
> ever used double eccentrics, but I'm not sure. Then again they could
> have been recorded and mastered by one company and pressed by Gennett. I
> dunno.
> Mal
>
> *******
>
> Han Enderman wrote:
>> I fully agree that this image is the 2nd Baldwin label (from Starr).
>> I was unaware of the fact that there were 2 Baldwins (I now see them 
>> described in Sutton's ARLC)
>> and should have seen that ARLIE lists the images as Baldwin 2.
>> The label layout is indeed completely different from BD&M products (which 
>> have
>> a long dash in the cat.nr).
>>
>> So we have no label image at all of the BD&M Baldwin label !
>> Sutton says that it was mfd for an unknown distributor or retailer, but 
>> Vreede says that
>> Baldwin & Carnival were store labels, "both for John Wanamaker Store, New 
>> York".
>>
>> The 2nd Baldwin label (from Starr ) is still extremely rare. It remains a 
>> label I had never found before.
>> The 2 images in ARLIE show:
>> B-496 - Guess (comp Alfred Feltman) by Val Ernie. Poss. this tune can be 
>> dated?
>> B-585 - St. Juste Zamor & Haitian Group: Ti Fi M'Pale.... (mx 1008).
>> Mal, can you date this release?
>>
>> Han Enderman
>> ===
>>
>>>>> In nearly 6 years of collecting 78 label images, I had never found a 
>>>>> 1920s Baldwin.
>>>>>
>> I knew the label existed, since it is present in ARLIE (in 2 color 
>> variants), just as is the
>> even rarer Chautauqua label.
>> And Max Vreede mentioned both labels in Storyville 89 (1980, p.183) in 
>> his article on the Puritan label.
>> But the latter label is so rare that it was misspelled 'Chatauqua'.
>>
>> Both were "store"labels, produced by Paramount-connected BD&M, like 
>> Puritan & Broadway
>> (both also produced by NYRL) and Triangle, Hudson, Mitchell, National 
>> (from NCC), Pennington, Resona,
>> Ross Stores, etc.
>> And now you can see one on ebay, # 390145412579.
>> (he)
>> ---
>> Yes, but the Baldwin pictured is most probably a Gennett product! Check
>> the typestyle of the label name.
>> Mal Rockwell
>> ---
>> <http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9IAhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iYsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1129%2C2742541>
>> >From the "Palm Beach (Florida) Daily News" January 25, 1938:
>>
>> "...Val Ernie's band is still making dancing feet tingle on The Patio's
>> open air dance floor until all hours. Al Nathan, the chap who plays a
>> rat-a-tat on everything in sight when Va! Ernie's band gets hot,
>> furnishes plenty of what it takes with the drums, vibraphones and chime:
>> to round out one of the finest dance orchestras in the world. Al has
>> been with Val Ernie for eight years and is one of the most colorful of
>> the band's musicians. His work with Val's orchestra has been
>> outstanding. Timing, rhythm and technique! Al has them all according to
>> Val Ernie, The Patio's brilliant maestro."
>>
>> It's pretty obviously a late 30's disk, and this seems to confirm that.
>> It's not a Gennett; I wonder it was a vanity pressing?
>> Glen
>> ---
>> Han - are you sure this is the 1920s Baldwin?  The ARLIE disc only shows 
>> one type of Baldwin with 2 colors but the book lists two different 
>> Baldwins.  It appears to me that the pictures on the disc are from the 
>> second Baldwin which is from the 1930s and produced by Starr Piano.  I 
>> don't see the 1920s version on the disc produced by BD&M.
>> Glenn
>> <<<
>>
>>
>
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