[78-L] TURNING THE TABLES (was New Cheap Turntable)

[Milan P Milovanovic]

Dear all,

speaking of the suitable turntables, I've heard from member of another list 
who bought AT-PL120 recently, that it is inscribed "Made in China" on that 
Audiotechnica turntable. Table is equipped with slip mat (for DJ use) and 
lightweight platter (when comparing it to Technics 1200). Cheap, not so 
desirable turntable, even for 200 USD or so! Probably just another Numark..

Well I think that there was 3 - rotational speed Technics 1200 MK3 (or MK4 
model) but I'm not quite sure if it is still in Panasonic production line. 
If you exclude 16" discs, probably it is the most suitable turntable for 
transferring most of 78rpm records you own.

Best wishes

Milan



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JD" <jackson1932 at cfl.rr.com>
To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:20 AM
Subject: [78-L] TURNING THE TABLES, (was New Cheap Turntable


>
> As there has been much discussion here of late about cheaper and/or "DJ" 
> type turntables  I offer my less than ideal and rather disappointing 
> experience with one, not too long ago.
>
> A few years ago  I decided to try one of the so-called "DJ" three speed 
> turntables in order  to be able to utilize a single turntable with 
> variable speed for my LPs & 78s. The one I chose was an obvious copy of 
> the costly and industry standard Panasonic (model  1200 I believe). It 
> was, at the time one of the few and possibly one of the first of the 
> Panasonic clones. Curious as to whether it might actually be manufactured 
> by Panasonic as a stencil brand  I asked the US office of the manufacturer 
> and was told that it wasn't. I had some reservations but considering that 
> this might be the ideal turntable for my requirements if it performed well 
> I purchsed one from a local  authorized dealer with the understanding that 
> I could return it if dissatisfied.   As it turned out this was a fortunate 
> decision. Lest I upset the manufacturer and possibly leave myself open to 
> who knows what and maybe upset any owners of this brand I won't identify 
> the name other than to say that its models h
> ave been mentioned here often among the various other similar turntable 
> brands and have apparently  become quite popular.  Also, I'm not trying to 
> make any owners of this brand unhappy; chances are that if they own one 
> they're satisfied or oblivious of any problems I mention which hopefully 
> have since been corrected.
>
> As I unpacked and set it up I was much impressed with the apparent quality 
> and heft of the thing. Playing LPs on it, unfortunately was quite another 
> story and revealed an array of GROSS problems.  One of the first LPs I 
> tried was  a classical Mercury Living Presence Stereo that began with 
> solo clarinet. I don't remember the disc or the piece, It just happened to 
> be the first LP I pulled from  the rack to play on the new turntable. As 
> probably everyone knows, those Mercury recordings are near legendary for 
> their audio fidelity. As the clarinet passage began  I was greeted with 
> what seemed a nvery obvious flutter effect. WHAT!!!??? This can't be! I 
> couldn't believe that any decent turntable of any vintage would exhibit 
> this level of flutter. It had to be something else.  I then played the 
> disc on both my turntables (a Technics SLQX 300 and an old Empire 108) 
> and the playback was flawless, as I expected. I concluded that the flutter 
> effect was of course, not flutter but more t
> han likely caused by some sort of arm resonance due to less than ideal 
> design. Let me add that I was using an excellent cartridge, properly 
> mounted and that I'm experienced enough in audio and music (a professional 
> in both) to know what I'm doing and certainly what I'm hearing. Further 
> listening revealed two more gems of problems; a very obvious and 
> disturbingly high rumble leve, even at moderate listening levelsl (most 
> unusual and truly inexcusable for a direct drive turntable) and a platter 
> that did not (repeat: DID NOT) rotate in a flat plane indicating that the 
> spindle might be canted or the platter  grossly defective (even more 
> inexcusable!).  Seeing the edge of the turntable (and the disc and arm) 
> rise and fall as it rotates is not something one expects to find in a 
> record player, not even the cheapest of the cheap..  Once again I called 
> the manufacturer and mentioned the platter problem. I was told that they 
> were aware of it but they didn't offer a fix or solution. I
> did not mention the arm-resonance effect as that would probably have been 
> a dead end unless I was able to speak with a design engineer and Ididn't 
> want to get inviolved any further in what appeared to be a lost cause. 
> with a turntable that I now realized should have been a Cracker Jacks 
> prize Of course  I returned it and vowed to cforever avoid this brand in 
> the future and to be very leery of so-called  "DJ" turntables or anything 
> that seems too well priced to  be true. In  later years I checked the 
> platter rotation of similar turntables (rotating them by hand)  at a Sam 
> Ash store display area and IIRC  also of this particular brand and found 
> them to rotate in a flat plane as they should. Without taking one home I 
> had and have no way of evaluating potential arm-resonance problems or 
> rumble levels so I decided to stay with my trusty and perfectly performing 
> older units which do not have "DJ" credentials and which were designed by 
> engineers who obviously knew what they were do
> ing and marketed by companies that still cared about their products. I 
> believe that in the early days, at least, these so-called 'DJ' turntables 
> were intended to attract DJ wannabes and space cadets, most of whom 
> wouldn't know a musical sound or quality audio reproduction if it bit them 
> in their proverbials.
>
> Bottom line; turntable and in particular, tone arm design is serious 
> science and there is plenty of room for fudging or screw-ups. For those 
> who are serious about aidio reproduction and can hear the difference, the 
> usual caution applies, caveat emptor!!!
> JD
>
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