[78-L] Alex Steinweiss article

Mon Dec 28 12:20:50 PST 2009

This is important! While the ramblings of a delightful bunch of old coots is very enjoyable, it's not evidence. People saying "Steinweiss wasn't first" aren't any more reliable than people saying "Steinweiss was first" without some solid documentary proof. Without it, journalists and authors are right to ignore us.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cary Ginell" <soundthink at live.com>
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:52:04 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [78-L] Alex Steinweiss article

Liesl Bradner has asked me for permission to print my comments as a letter-to-the-editor, to be published in next Sunday's L.A. Times Calendar edition. She also would like to get a link showing examples of illustrated album design pre-Steinweiss. If anyone has some of the items Mike Biel mentioned and can send me a link or a scan of them, I would appreciate it. My deadline for getting this in is Wednesday. I will need to trim my letter to make it concise. The way it is now, the Times editors would hack my current letter to pieces.

Cary Ginell

> From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:40:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Alex Steinweiss article
> 
> The LA Times has posted my comment with the on-line article.  It would
> be nice if the paper would publish as a letter Cary's letter and/or
> mine.  I already have put in similar items on Amazon at the several
> books about Steinweiss and at several other sites and blogs that have
> likewise tried to change history thru ignorance.  But they are bloggers
> and this is supposed to be an LA Times journalist.  But considering what
> I know about what goes on at the LA Times, I'm not surprised.  My cousin
> retired from the LA Times a few years ago from much the same position as
> this writer, and about ten years ago I was not able to convince her to
> write the TRUTH about the Museum of TV and Radio and she ended up
> writing the usual puff piece -- although with a little less enthusiasm
> then was originally planned.
> 
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Alex Steinweiss article
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Date: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:48 am
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> 
> 
> This is what I sent the writer -
> 
> Dear Ms. Bradner,
> 
> I just read with interest your article on Alex Steinweiss, "Father of
> Album Art" in Sunday's Times. As
> a member of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections, I
> participated in an online discussion recently as to how Steinweiss or
> his representatives at his publisher have been misinforming the public
> as to his role in the development of album cover art. Although he did
> revolutionize the art form with his work for Columbia Records, he was
> by far NOT the first to use artwork on 78 rpm record albums. There have
> been many instances dating back at least to the 1920s that did this.
> It's a
> shame the distortions of Steinweiss's are muddying his reputation as a
> true pioneer of the art form. 
> 
> Also - to clarify something that
> you wrote: "At the time, most albums were packaged in plain brown paper
> sleeves with no lyrics or credits." This makes me wonder how familiar
> you are with record packaging in those years. Although single 78 rpm
> releases were issued in brown sleeves, they always had logos for the
> record company printed on them, usually with some kind of advertisements
> for other releases. Albums were actually hard cardboard folders with
> individual pages containing the records - hence the word "album" was
> invented (today, a CD is still absurdly called an album despite the
> fact that there are no pages at all). The covers of the albums always
> had some kind of identification and in many cases, artwork. Inside the
> album was either a descriptive essay, credits, or song selection
> listings pasted on the inside front cover. Sometimes there were
> miniature booklets or other explanatory notes inserted into the album.
> Your article makes it look like Steinweiss invented all of this
> single-handedly, which he decidedly did not.
> 
> Anyway, I suppose
> any publicity concerning the history of the manufacturing and marketing
> of 78 rpm records is better than nothing, but I would hope that, as a
> journalist, you would research more thoroughly your subject, rather than
> taking as fact what publishers' publicity departments feed you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Cary Ginell
> Thousand Oaks
> 
> > From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:09:26 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Alex Steinweiss article
> > 
> > I've just submitted this comment to the on-line comments section of this
> > article using my name, not a handle. No comments have been posted yet,
> > so this might be the first IF it gets approved. If Cary has written
> > directly to her, that should be the confirmation of what I have
> > submitted. If others of you do likewise, that will help. If this does
> > not appear, you all have been notified that it had been submitted. 
> > 
> > 
> > "Once again the myth that before Steinweiss records were packed in
> > plain brown wrappers has been bought hook, line, and sinker by a writer
> > who is not a record collector, and has not done independent research in
> > an archive or collection. By the time Steinweiss was hired by the newly
> > reorganized Columbia in 1940, Decca Records had a six year history with
> > their series of 200 albums with illustrated covers, often with
> > photographic inside-covers and booklets with extensive notes. There is
> > a heritage of illustrated album covers dating back before 1910. 
> > Descriptive written notes appeared with all Edison cylinders and discs
> > starting in 1912. Steinweiss is an inventive and imaginative
> > illustrator and artist, but he did not invent the concept of illustrated
> > record album covers, he merely convinced HIS company to start competing
> > with Decca's six year-old series of illustrated covers. His first
> > cover (C-11 by Richard Rodgers) was not THE first illustrated cover, it
> > was only HIS first illustrated cover, and the first for the newly
> > reorganized Columbia."
> > 
> > Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> > 
> > Well, it won't do any good if you don't write. At least I said something
> > and maybe...MAYBE the writer will do more research the next time. I
> > write reviews for a local paper and I get very few letters from people.
> > But when I do, I take notice, unless it's some crackpot from some
> > obscure organization with a bone to pick....hey, wait. That's me.
> > 
> > Cary Ginell
> > 
> > > From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
> > > Think it'll do any good? I don't. Writers with no frame of reference grab 
> > > whatever they can find, and we've been arguing this matter (as well as 
> > > Steinweiss not being the first to come up with illustrated album covers) as 
> > > long as I've been on this list. I didn't realize Steinweiss was still alive. 
> > > Someone should tell HIM to clarify these matters, don't you think? Or is he 
> > > beyond the point of giving credible interviews?
> > > 
> > > Here's another example of misinformation becoming permanent. Earlier today I 
> > > was looking for links to a Heritage LP of Alan Jay Lerner songs, since someone 
> > > had said it contained the only uncensored recording of "My Mother's Wedding 
> > > Day" with its original lyrics. It doesn't contain that song, as it happens. But 
> > > every link to that LP that I checked misquoted the catalog number, including 
> > > one that showed the album cover which has the correct number on it, H-0060. One 
> > > person listed it as H-0600 and everyone else copied it. Amazing.
> > > 
> > > dl
> > > 
> > > Cary Ginell wrote:
> > > > The Los Angeles Times-and-Throwaway had another article perpetuating the myth that Alex Steinweiss "invented" album cover art. It's plain that the author of the article knew nothing about the subject, saying that before Steinweiss came along, albums "were packaged in plain brown paper sleeves with no lyrics or credits." If we can bombard her with complaints about her article, maybe a clarification will be printed. Her name is Liesl Bradner and she can be reached directly at liesl.bradner at latimes.com. Be polite. She know not what she hath wrought. I've already written to her.
> > > > 
> > > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/12/alex-steinweiss-father-of-album-art.html
> > > > 
> > > > Cary Ginell
> > 
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