[78-L] Everyone Their Own Picasso ^, (was Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^)

[eugene hayhoe]

So you're claiming that 'free jazz' ( a label numerous practicing musicians dispute by the way, precisely because of the confusion it creates in the minds of many people) musicians are trying to copy/imitate people who don't know how to play/beginners? 
 
How would you explain someone like trumpeter Lester Bowie of the Art Emsemble, who also worked extensively with Little Milton (Sun 78 rpm artist)? That when he was with Little Milton, he could play, but when he was on his own with the AEC, he couldn't play or could only imitate beginners?
 
Gene

--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Steven C. Barr <stevenc at interlinks.net> wrote:


From: Steven C. Barr <stevenc at interlinks.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Everyone Their Own Picasso ^, (was Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^)
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 11:16 PM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eugene hayhoe" <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
> Well, I've been looking at the art of childre since I was a child, and 
> while I'm no Picasso expert, I don't think I've ever been in danger of 
> confusing the two; same hold true for Pollack.
> Although I'm a drummer, not a saxist, based on the couple of times I've 
> had a sax in my mouth, I'd guess that the number of untutored folks, 
> children or otherwise, who could randomly pick up a sax and make the 
> sounds that Ayler, Coltrane, Shepp, and so forth did is pretty minimal. 
> Just in the areas of instrumental tone and pitch range of notes produced 
> alone the minimum chops required are going to beat the 'kid,' let alone 
> playing melody lines, etc. Anyone who thinks they (Trane, Ayler, Shepp, 
> Coleman) are incompetent should check out the recods all of these folks 
> made playing 'standards' and the like - they played the way they did by 
> choice, not inability to do anything else. I've always thought the way 
> people 'box up' art into a limited thing was bizarre.
>
The question is NOT wbether the instrumental sounds can/could be duplicated 
by some third party...?!
OTOH, it is whether the sounds produced by a newcomer to the instrument, 
when duplicated by a
more competent player, are thus somehow lifted into another "sphere"...?!

Steven C. Barr 

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