[78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^

[Howard Hoffmaster]

Gene Krupa
Chick Webb
Louie Bellson
George Wettling
Frank Capp

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> Some foremost swing and pre-swing era groovers on the drum kit.
> (Temp list...totally incomplete.)
> Jo Jones
> Johnny Blowers
> JimmyCrawford
> Buddy Rich
> Maurice Purtill (with Norvo only)
> Ray McKinley
> Dave Tough
> Cozy Cole
> Ben Pollack
> Vic Berton
> Baby Dodds (as the fount)
>
> Al Simmons
>
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> From: "eugene hayhoe" <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
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> I don't believe I've ever heard a record with Elvin Jones on it that 
> didn't
> have very strong grooves, regardless of the personnel, tempo, materials,
> etc. He's not unique in that among post-bebop drummers, but I'm guessing
> there's not much interest in putting together a list like that on this 
> list
> (not that I'm much of a listmaking type anyway). Pullen-Adams-Richmond was
> just the Mingus band w/o Charles (and both were great bands to my mind).
>
> Gene
>
> --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 11:20 AM
>
>
>
> My definition of groove came from something Herbie Mann told me once. The
> "groove" is akin to the waves of the ocean, with his melody line riding on
> top of the waves. It has a lot to do with kinetic energy, perpetual 
> motion,
> which can be achieved through rhythm, riffs, anything that keeps the
> momentum going forward. That's how you can listen to a song like Jimmy
> Smith's "The Champ," which encompasses and entire LP side, and not want it
> to end.
>
>
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:15:36 +0000
>> From: julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^
>>
>> Cary Ginell wrote:
>> The problem I have with the so-called "free jazz" is that it doesn't
>> have the element common to other forms of jazz: a groove. If a Cecil
>> Taylor fan can find a groove in his music, more power to him, but I've
>> sampled quite a bit of it and just do
>> n't care for it. Maybe I'm not "deep." Maybe I can't see the poetry in
>> Coltrane's late-career squawks. But that's fine. I won't deny them their
>> place in jazz. But I will deny them a place on my shelves. Even so, I
>> won't condemn an entire period without cause. That's why I love Eric
>> Dolphy and the work he did on Coltrane's "Africa Brass" sessions on
>> Impulse. There is some of it that is accessible to someone like me. So I
>> keep listening.
>>
>> Cary Ginell
>> =============
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "groove", but Taylor's music is not random
>> as it may appear to some. Compare his solo on "E.B." (Candid) with a
>> solo he plays with Ayler on the Revenant box set. They're virtually
>> identical--when I heard the latter I was able to whistle along with it!
>>
>> I only got to hear "Africa Brass" properly in recent years, and found it
>> was a disappointment, in that there is no "punch line" to the
>> performance, it just drifts on and on. Regarding his Impulse! quartet
>> recordings, I was playing these recently and thought to myself, "this is
>> pop music!" They came in the aftermath of his Atlantic "My Favorite
>> Things". Something akin to Jonah Jones's "Muted Jazz". And McCoy Tyner's
>> piano playing is always a pain in the butt.
>>
>> I have most of Coltrane's work, but don't necessarily like it all--much
>> of it was purchased because it was cheap. Pruning time will come
>> eventually.
>>
>> Julian Vein
>>
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