[78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz

Tue Dec 22 15:32:00 PST 2009

So Mike, when was this Trane concert? According to Fujioka (the 'Lord' for Coltrane), his last public performance was 4/23/67 at the Olatunji Center in NYC; there's no mention of Temple anywhere in 1967.  I bet there's lots of people besides me who'd like to know more about and hear that tape...

Gene

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com> wrote:

From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 4:16 PM

From: Taylor Bowie <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
>>> I don't want anybody proclaiming themselves to be the
>>> guardian of the definition of jazz...that includes me,
>>>  you,  and Mr. Marsalis.   Taylor

From: eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
>> Amen.

I also agree, so I will amend my earlier remarks.  It is jazz, however
it is sh*tty jazz.

> What's the link?  Julian Vein

Why?  What crimes against humanity do you wish to confess to under the
torture of this dreck?  Anyway, try:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofDWbrPfKGA  
and there will be links to other parts of this "concert" and enough
other stuff to fully equip your own Gitmo.  I note that this concert
took place in Florida.  Instead of hanging chad, they should have hung
Larry.

>> I'm betting you don't like Albert Ayler or
>> late period Coltrane either then Mike?

BINGO!!  I've discussed this before, I have the master tape of one of
Coltrane's last concerts, at Temple University a month or so before he
died.  He played non-stop for over an hour and there were dozens of
musicians who wandered on and off the stage during the concert -- we
have no idea who.  The engineer back in the radio studio forgot to start
the tape until a couple of minutes after he started playing, partially
because the planned lead-in introductions didn't happen because Coltrane
just wandered on stage behind the MC and started playing before a word
was spoken!  So the beginning -- where he actually played the melody --
is lost.  I do know that the Coltrane estate is supposed to have a copy
of the tape because I made a copy for his manager a few weeks after
Coltrane's death.  It was part of the deal to allow the live broadcast. 
Everytime I heard about a new posthumous Coltrane release I expected
this concert to come out, but it hasn't.  I also loaned the tape to
someone about 30 years ago who cut it in half to fit on 7-inch reels and
creased up that portion all to hell because the jerk had never learned
how to thread a tape reel properly without creasing the tape.  About 5
years ago when this subject came up on the list I pulled out the tape,
spliced the middle, tried to flatten it, and wound it properly back onto
a 10-1/2 inch reel to let the creases flatten and the tape relax back
into its proper size.  I still haven't gotten around to transferring it
off.  I'm not sure I can sit thru it again. 

I don't think I've heard Albert Ayler.  I'm assuming that I shouldn't.

Mike (ah, listen to that pure 1000 Hz tone) Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  

Michael Biel wrote:
> I was prepared to be very upset about this, because Marsalis is one of
> the world's greatest doofuses, but you know something, that Spanish fan,
> Rafael Gisbert, was right. This isn't jazz. In fact, it isn't music.
> It is sh*t. It is uninspired random noodling that a group of 11-year
> olds would be embarrassed to play after three months of music lessons.
> Check this crap out on YouTube. I've had this bilge on for fifteen
> minutes and I am ready to admit that I was the mastermind of 9/11,
> I stole the Arbeit Macht Frei sign, I kidnapped Patti Hurst, I was
> the grassy knoll shooter, and I leaked the hydrogen bomb plans to
> Stalin. It has that effect on you.

I am going to listen to a test-tones record to try to cleanse my ears.
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
=============

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>

Jazz Promo Services wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/dec/21/wynton-marsalis-jazz-purist-fan
>
> Wynton Marsalis seeks purist fan . . .
> The legendary jazz musician wants to give a present to the jazz buff in
> Spain who complained to the police that the music at a gig wasn't 'jazz'
> – and has asked the Guardian to find him. Problem is, we can't . . .
>
>
> Related Story
>
> Found: the jazz purist sought by Wynton Marsalis
> Jazz websites rattle with fierce debate after Wynton Marsalis offers
> present to fan who complained at Larry Ochs gig
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/blog/2009/dec/21/jazz-purist-found-wynton-marsalis
>
>
> Jazz legend Wynton Marsalis has come under criticism for supporting
> Gisbert's complaint. Photograph: PR
>
> Well, that didn't take long. If the Guardian's crowd sourcers can spend
> hours trawling through _Tony Blair's complex accounts_ for the reward of
> a Steve Bell cartoon, then the offer of a deluge of Wynton Marsalis
> recordings mentioned in _Shortcuts this morning_ was bound to have an
> instant impact.
>
> The jazz legend wanted to send a large part of his 70-plus catalogue
> of recordings to the anonymous Spaniard who_ called police to a jazz
> festival because the music being played was not, he insisted, jazz.
> Marsalis just needed to find him. Now Rafael Gisbert, a jazz purist from
> the Madrid dormitory town of Alcorcon, has stepped forward.
>
> Credit goes to our friends at El País newspaper, who shared this
> morning's story with us. "All I wanted was my money back," Gisbert tells
> me. "I'm honoured that a great jazzman supports me."
>
> Marsalis's people are today being a little coy. "Wynton never planned on
> it going public," says Jono Gasparro, the star's assistant, who asked
> the Guardian to help track Gisbert down. "All I know is that he wanted
> to send him some music."
>
> Perhaps the coyness is because jazz websites are rattling with fierce
> debate over the time-worn question of "what is jazz". Marsalis has
> offended a few people, not least the musicians in the Larry Ochs Sax and
> Drum Core who were playing when Gisbert called the cops.
>
> Scott Amendola, one of Ochs's drummers, accuses Marsalis of seeking
> cheap publicity. He suggests we write something about all those who
> disagree with the Marsalis view of jazz and about how the trumpeter
> hurts "thousands of other 'jazz' musicians in the world".
>
> Marsalis has Gisbert's phone number and email address. It's his move.
>
>

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