[78-L] Clueless eBay listing of the week!

[Matthew Duncan]

The disc on ebay and the disc on Windmill are different variants of the same thing.
 
Polydor issued the 45 as part of the MGM label reissue programme it began in the late 70s.  Polydor had already issued King and Sun label rockabilly material in the UK for the growing rock n roll revival and rockabilly market as the scene for this music was growing here in Britain at the time.
 
Polydor acquired the MGM recordings and rights to use the design of the labels in their artwork or their interpretation of the MGM 50s label design in their reissues.
 
The items on the 45 were thought to be particularly popular selections from the MGM Rockabilly Collection LPs 1&2 and were mainly used by DJs for ease of cueing the tracks rather than cueing the tracks from LPs with 10 tracks on each side.
 
All of these MGM/Polydor rockabilly items on 70s vinyl are still used by DJs on the same scene today.
 
So, not a 78, a daft ebay auction with an inflated asking price but for a 'real' record that is a genuine reissue of 50s cuts.
 
That's my understanding of it....I have the 2 LPs but not the item in the ebay listing but am more interesting in finding the 50s 78s or 45s of the items from the reissue programme anyway...
 
Regards
Matthew.

--- On Wed, 14/10/09, fnarf at comcast.net <fnarf at comcast.net> wrote:


From: fnarf at comcast.net <fnarf at comcast.net>
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Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 11:22 PM


Reference for Rainwater: http://koti.mbnet.fi/wdd/marvinrainwater.htm

"I Dig You Baby" is listed there as 

1958: MGM 980 (UK 78) 45-MGM-980 (UK 45) (says that the A side was #19 on the Top 30)
1958: MGM 980 (Norway, no speed listed)
6/1958: MGM K 12665 (US 45)
19??: MGM 2006 611 (US 12" p/s, no speed listed).

Reference for reissue: http://45cat.com/artist/carson-robison-and-his-square-dance-music

Says it was a 7". This site claims Oct 1977. Both sites claim the Rainwater side on the reissue has two tracks, "I Dig You Baby" and "Dance Me Daddy", which was a different UK A side in 1958.

Note also that both these references say 1958, not 1956 like the Ebay disc, for the copyright, which is another thing that makes me think "pirate issue" or "unauthorized" if you prefer.

A third reference http://www.windmill-records.co.uk/carson-robison---marvin-rainwater--rockin-and-rollin-with-granmaw--2-mgm-rockabilly-18262-p.asp shows the 1978 reissue with a completely different label, which looks sort of like the Ebay disc only with a huge and hideous red "Rockabilly" scroll across the center.

The Ebay disc looks like an authentic period 1958 MGM UK label, but that record wasn't a split -- the 1958 Rainwater disc didn't have Robison on the other side, it had Marvin Rainwater introducing his sister Patty doing "Two Fools In Love". In which case, my answer is "what the hell".

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This issue might be in the MGM Books but I'm not sure where to look, since the 
issue numbers sections are broken down by country, speed and size. And the 
Carson Robison side doesn't show this issue, only the original (12266 and 
45-rpm K12266) and Polydor 2486257, plus the Bear Family issue. I can't find 
this Rainwater side at all in the MGM books..anyone got an original issue # for it?

Memo to anyone considering reissuing Greenwood's discographies online or as 
CD-ROM: PLEASE do title indexes! Thank you.

dl

fnarf at comcast.net wrote:
> According to a couple of things I found on Google, it was issued as both a 7" and a 12" in '77 (mentioned separately on separate sites). No idea how reliable that is. The original issue was on MGM and was in '56, but wasn't catalog number 2006 611. There was a minor rockabilly revival in England in '77 (and damn near every year since). The label design looks like the UK MGM version, updated; I can only find a picture of the US MGM release, which is somewhat different (and large-hole), but the Rainwater side was a UK hit in '56 or '57. Pirate reissue? The listing says 10" but I'm skeptical.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:06:58 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
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> 
> That label design had been out of use for about a quarter century and MGM 
> itself had disappeared as a brand name in 1973..I wonder what the occasion was 
> for this issue? And is it a ten-incher or what? Can't fault the guy for not 
> knowing that it came out in 1977, though.
> 
> dl
> 
> agp wrote:
>> And now for your comedic pleasure -- its the clueless eBay listing of the week:
>>
>> ...quote...
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rockabilly-78-Carson-Robison-Marvin-Rainwater-Listen_W0QQitemZ220494408550QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item33567dab66
>>
>> Rockabilly 78 Carson Robison Marvin Rainwater Listen
>>
>> Up for sale is a great 2 sided Rockabilly 78 by Carson Robison and 
>> Marvin Water. The cuts are Rockin' and Rollin' with Granmaw by Carson 
>> and I Dig You Baby by Rainwater. I have included a clip from the 
>> first mentioned song. Take a listen and bid to win. Please note in 
>> the scan there is some writing by the D.J. This 78 was made in 
>> England and the date shown is 1956.
>> ...unquote...
>>
>> Note that the label clearly says 45 R.P.M. A quick google would show 
>> that it is from 1977 not 1956, and that rather that the $139.99 being 
>> asked for, far less than 5% of that is the value.
>>
>> Brilliant
>>
>> T
>>

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