[78-L] Rhythmic "sprituals" of the early 1930s

[Cary Ginell]

As is "Ol' Man Mose," which I believe Armstrong did in '36. If you want a few other great examples, there are two songs in "Finian's Rainbow," (which is from 1947, I'll grant you), that make this concept clearer. The songs are "Necessity" and "The Begat." Both were written by Burton Lane and E.Y. Harburg in the style of gospels like "Dry Bones."

 

Cary Ginell
 
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:56:41 -0400
> From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Rhythmic "sprituals" of the early 1930s
> 
> There were quite a few later examples as well, like Frankie Laine's "Rain Rain 
> Rain". Again, Cary asked for examples that preceded (inspired?) Cole Porter's 
> "Blow, Gabriel, Blow" from the 1935 Broadway musical "Anything Goes".
> 
> All God's Chillun Got Rhythm might be too late (1937, I think).
> 
> dl
> 
> Gregg Kimball wrote:
> > Got it. I'm just coming at it it from the other end, Cary. I'm much more 
> > familiar with gospel music than Tin Pan Alley, and it just seems strange to 
> > imply a generic style of revival song in this period (or any other). Sounds 
> > like a totally pop phenomena with little real connection to gospel music.
> > 
> > Gregg
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Cary Ginell" <soundthink at live.com>
> > To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Rhythmic "sprituals" of the early 1930s
> > 
> > 
> >> No. Once again, I'm speaking of Tin Pan Alley songs using this generic 
> >> camp meeting flavor. I'm not addressing any specific denominations because 
> >> I don't know anything about them. I just know a gospel-tinged arrangement 
> >> and melody when I hear one. The Golden Gate Quartet did these with actual 
> >> spirituals later in the '30s, but listen to songs like "Oh, Monah," with 
> >> the call-and-response, the joyous feeling, and the handclapping on the 
> >> off-beat, and you'll get a sense of this. These are NOT traditional 
> >> spirituals. They are POP songs that are using the STYLE of a jubilee, 
> >> which is only one kind of spiritual. I thought that we've given enough 
> >> examples to get this point across.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cary Ginell
> >>
> >>> From: gdkimball at cox.net
> >>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> >>> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:21:56 -0400
> >>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Rhythmic "sprituals" of the early 1930s
> >>>
> >>> I'm a bit confused what is meant here by "revival songs." The gospel 
> >>> songs
> >>> of the late nineteenth century/early twentieth century pioneered by Moody
> >>> and Sankey? The music of the emerging Holiness-Pentacostal movement? 
> >>> Songs
> >>> popularized in the twenties by the leading Southern quartets, and spread
> >>> through shape-note hymnals? All that and more might qualify.
> >>>
> >>> Gregg Kimball
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "David Lewis" <uncledavelewis at hotmail.com>
> >>> To: "78 78" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:38 PM
> >>> Subject: [78-L] Rhythmic "sprituals" of the early 1930s
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Chatauqua was really very popular until the end of the 20s, at which 
> >>>> point
> >>>> it was pulled apart by internal political/theological strife, not
> >>>> discontinued due to lack of demand or response from the public. 
> >>>> Audiences
> >>>> of the day clearly appreciated wholesome, positive entertainment and 
> >>>> the
> >>>> popularity of this stuff in the secular world more likely reflects the
> >>>> public taste for it rather than economic conditions. It becomes less
> >>>> common in the mainstream as we advance further into the Swing era, 
> >>>> though
> >>>> by that time regular sacred entertainers were getting more access to 
> >>>> the
> >>>> radio, and Gospel recording activity experiences an uptick right around
> >>>> 1937.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's mainly just a very generalized view, so you are all welcome to 
> >>>> pick
> >>>> it apart.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Uncle Dave Lewis uncledavelewis at hotmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Message: 18
> >>>> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:51:49 -0700
> >>>> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Rhythmic "sprituals" of the early 1930s
> >>>> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >>>> Message-ID: <BLU142-W3750F87DEF1A57B3D151A6B0020 at phx.gbl>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No, I'm speaking of Tin Pan Alley compositions done in the style of
> >>>> revival songs. "All God's Chillun Got Rhythm" and Andy Razaf's "On 
> >>>> Revival
> >>>> Day" are perfect examples.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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