[78-L] New member / questions

[Michael Biel]

Welcome to the group Matthew.  You undoubtedly will be getting an answer
to your Gramophone Monarch question quickly (I don't have my
discographies handy right now so I can't do it.)  But I have another
question about the 1902 Columbia you have.  Are you considering the date
because of the 1902 patent notice in the shellac lead-out area?  If so,
that's the Jones patent and is on most Columbias in the black and silver
era, and also on double-sided discs if they used old masters on those
later pressings.  There are two dates to consider, the recording date
and the pressing date.  On early records, especially Columbia, not only
the matrix number but the take number is important in dating the
recording.  Label format will date the pressing.

And yes, you do need to invest in reference books.  Need a list?

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  


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 Subject: [78-L] New member / questions
 From: Matthew Duncan <duncdude2000 at yahoo.com>
My oldest record is a Columbia disc from 1902 found at a flea market 
  
 I have just obtained a disc from the early 1900s on the GRAMOPHONE
MONARCH label - it is 12" size and single sided. I know this was part of
the Gramophone and Typewriter company and this in turn became the 'dog
and gramophone' pictured HMV label which was the UK equivalent of
Victor.
  
 I would like to know the recording date for it though...
  
 HM Band of the Coldstream Guards on Gramophone Monarch Record 0131.
 Matrix number - 2167f
 Selection - PIRATES OF PENZANCE (SULLIVAN)
  
 I know that around 1910 the dog and gramophone logo was employed to
discs and in 1912 records with music on both sides were made by the
Gramophone Company so is prior to these events, maybe 1909??