[78-L] Glass Base 78s

[David Weiner]

I have a coupla Tommy Dorsey Victor vinyls from 1946, one on dirty clear
see-through vinyl, several on red and a few others on black. 

Dave W.

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[mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of David Lennick
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:40 PM
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My disc certainly appears to be a pressing..was Victor experimenting with 
different types of plastic around 1946?

dl

Michael Biel wrote:
> The Decelith discs I have seen and have all seemed to be one solid
> non-laminated disc.  Were the top three pictures clearly showing
> laminations at the rim chips also Decelith?  The ones I've seen are very
> dark and are only slightly translucent.  There was another disc type
> I've seem from the German war years is three layer disc with a pure
> white center core and black recording surfaces.  They also have paper
> labels but I forget the brand name.  The black surfaces have an
> unfortunate tendency to stick together and peel off of the white core. 
> I saw a large stack of these discs stuck together at the Vienna
> Phonogrammarchiv waiting for some way to be discovered to unstick them
> in such a way that the black surfaces separate from each other rather
> than separate from the white core.  
> 
> I wonder if Lennick's disc is an attempt at pressing on a Decelith or a
> cutting.
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Milan P Milovanovic" <milanpmilovanovic4 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> Well, here:
> 
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180076-1.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180078-1.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180079.jpg
> 
> you can see that it is plastic core with two recordable "sides" above
> and 
> below, while on these pictures:
> 
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180080.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180081.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/P8180084.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/scan1.jpg
> http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv34/mmilovan2009/scan2.jpg
> 
> 
> it can be seen label design. There is only one side with label marked 
> "Decelith", and the other side is blank. Also, translucency of such disc
> is 
> easily visible as well.
> 
>  These discs are 10" in diameter and shown here is inside start recorded
> 
> performance, different on each side. I suspect that origin of such discs
> is 
> radio station somewhere in Croatia or Bosnia. Radio Belgrade station
> used 
> black Decelith foils during WWII. After the war such Decelith discs
> (with 
> Nazi speeches and so on) were dumped off from the station, with other
> side 
> not recorded. Early recording enthusiasts in Belgrade used other blank
> side 
> to record jazz performances of some musicians as early as 1945 or 1946.
> on 
> amateur equipment they bought before WWII. Also, they used thick
> celluloid 
> roentgen films for such occasion with equal success.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Milan
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Glass Base 78s
> 
> 
>> I've mentioned this item before and have never seen an explanation. I
have 
>> an odd pressing, made on some kind of stiff translucent vinyl which is 
>> variable in color (bronze, grey, clear in spots). It's Victor 20-1636B,
Charlie 
>> Spivak's "Only Another Boy and Girl". The catalog number appears in the
run-out as 
>> it would on a regular pressing (raised) and in the outer edge
(scratched). 
>> The disc is just over 11 inches in diamater but has four flat edges (and
four
>> rounded ones), is pressed only on one side but has the sunken indentation

>> for the label on both sides.
>>
>> Anybody ever seen one of these?
>>
>> dl
>>
>> Milan P Milovanovic wrote:
>>> Just to make one point clear: Decelith foils (blank discs) were used as
>>> early as 1938. for recording in various (portable or studio) machines. 
>>> These discs sometimes were translucent with flexible (vinyl ?) core and
two 
>>> sides. Sometimes only one side was used to record.
>>>
>>> If someone is interested I can post some photos of such disc.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Milan
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
>>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Glass Base 78s
>>>
>>>
>>> It
>>>> wouldn't be vinyl (although the Germans were using vinyl for recording
>>>> discs during the war, known as Decelith.)
>>>>
> 
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