[78-L] Jazz violin, mostly Hernan Oliva

[yves francois]

   I saw that Michel Warlop has been mentioned (and should be mentioned more than Stéphane IMHO, though I think SG did age very well, like a fine wine, I think between playing with Shearing and playing better violins* a lot of the early problems seem to be eliminated), he is , along w Svend Asmussen one of my favorite violin players, however, we missed one on this thread Hernan Oliva. Oliva was in the first Aleman Quintet when he came back to Argentina (the second combo's violin player was not in the same class IMHO), but if you really want to hear some of the greatest jazz violin on record check the Louis Vola Quintet's from about 1945 and then the fantastic sides he recorded with Ahmed Ratip's band from the later 1940's. The Ratip band had Booker Pittman on alto sax (and some clarinet as well, though some of the clarinet is by Edwin Morgan, another fine jazzman), as well as Ratip's rather more American styled guitar work and Oliva. It is probably some
 of hardest swinging jazz recorded in Argentina, and I wonder why this music has not made the international reissue programs (have them on private CD's and also by now many of the 78's), if you can check them , great, just know that Oliva (and Pittman) leave by early 1949, so don't go off buying the last few Victor's or the TK's for them on it (though they are still good music, indeed one of them is an Astor Piazzolla composition). BTW Oliva ended up with the Chinini brothers and trumpeter Julien Roth in Jazz Casino, another good Argentine jazz band in the 50's , before doing smaller groups.
   Anyone likes Juice Wilson? One of my favorite records are the 2 records he recorded with Noble Sissle in 1929 then ... off to Malta and in the books (or NOT in the books sort to speak) rather like piano player Tommy Chase, one record and ... out (or maybe he recorded non jazz violin in some obscure Maltese studio, or perhaps backing some Maghreb vocalist in the 40's, I can fantasize, can I?). One other I did not see, Darnell Howard, sounds good in the early 30's Hines records ("Cavernism"), I could go on, but not every Edgar Sampson needs to be remembered for his violin work (though I do like "House Of David Blues" an excellent record all around by Henderson 1931)...
Yves Francois

* in a previous post I mentioned "Fit As A Fiddle", where a 1933 French jazz band (Gregor) has a violin solo that sounds midway between Warlop and Grappelli , general thought it that Stephen borrowed Michel's violin, for it has some of Michel's tone (Stéphane Grappelli  records in the 30's have a "thin" tone IMHO compared to Warlop, however the trio of violins w South, it is Warlop that is the odd man out), guess it depends on the amount of libation conbsumned on those sessions (I personally think Stéphane sounds better on the 1934/5 Ultraphones than the 1936 HMV's)

--- On Thu, 4/30/09, soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com> wrote:

> From: soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Jazz violin
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:57 PM
> From me, but of course! But Inigo already weighed in on
> Venuti, so I was just trying to come up with some others he
> could consider listening to.
> 
> Cary Ginell
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:06 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Jazz violin
> 
> 
> 
> No love for Joe Venuti?
> On 4/30/09, soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com>
> wrote:
>  Try Michel Warlop.He played some dates with Grappelli
> & Reinhardt, but there
>  are some astoundingly terrific sides by this unheralded
> violinist.
> 
>  You should also listen to some of the western swing
> violinists, such as
>  Carroll Hubbard, Cecil Brower, J.R. Chatwell, and Louis
> Tierney. All great,
>  and there were many more.
> 
>  Cary Ginell
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: I. Cubillo <i.cubillo at telefonica.net>
>  To: 78-L <78-L at 78online.com>
>  Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
>  Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
> 
> 
> 
>  Me...  the same... I first knew Grappelli. Great! Then I
> read about Stuff
>  mith, and I acquired a CD of Nat King Cole backed by a
> great combo, Smith
>  mong them... Great!
>  Then I read about Eddie South. I bought from Nauck the
> Victor of "La Rosita"
>  nd "Waters of Minnetonka", and I've been a
> bit dissapointed. Grappelli is
>  uch better to me.
>  There are others, of course. Venuti sounds good, but worse
> than Grappelli to
>  y ears.
>  And there are the myriad of more or less unknown violin
> players in american
>  nd british dance bands. Not unknown at all (we've g
> ot Rust and the like to
>  dentify many of them) but second row fiddlers. Some
> records by Whiteman,
>  ack Hylton and the like, feature great violin solos
> (double string playing
>  nd the like, stuff like the Stuff's one). Pity those
> solos last only a few
>  econds!
>  Inigo
> 
>  ñigo Cubillo