[78-L] How well did they do it.

Wed Apr 29 21:05:48 PDT 2009

Cary,
    I have to back you up on Audrey Williams.  I can not tolerate her at all 
even singing with her husband.
    I was lucky, or unlucky, enough to grow up in the 30s so my first music 
that I remember was about 35 or 36.  We never owned a record player of any 
sort so all my music came from the radio.  But I doubt if that gave me my 
love of early 78s.  I love almost any music up to the 50s.  Rock and Roll 
left me behind and while I like a few of the songs, most of it leaves me 
dead.  Anything since that is unknown to me as I never listen to it.  This 
included classical music such as symphonies and even some operas.
    Needless to say country music is included in the mix of any guy who 
wrote a book about Vernon Dalhart. Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <soundthink at aol.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] How well did they do it.


>I tend to listen to acoustic records more for their historic value than 
>their musical value. I'm strictly in the electric era. There are certain 
>sounds, however, that took some getting used to in order to appreciate 
>them - for example: Sidney Bechet's rapid vibrato, the harmonies of the 
>Carter Family, pre-war Cajun vocals, and bebop. Thirty years ago I couldn't 
>relate to any of these musically; but after listening and listening, the 
>layers peel away and now I enjoy all four of these kinds of music.
>
> Ken Griffin, Audrey Williams, Sammy Kaye, and Shep Fields, however, offend 
> at every level.
>
> Good topic.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill McClung <bmcclung at ix.netcom.com>
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> Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 4:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] How well did they do it.
>
>
>
> A question I have pondered for awhile is, "Why don't I have an 'ear' for
> many 78s recorded before 19XX?"  I love my postwar 78s and many "modern"
> sounding prewar 78s but oftentimes when my fellow 78Lers are debating the
> relative glories of Vaughn de Leath or What is Sweet I am lost because the
> music being debated doesn't excite me and I haven't explored it.
>
> This is in no way a value judgement or a question of what is "good" or
> "valuable".   I'm not really asking about genres.  I'm asking about sound.
> And the components of one's personal "ear".
>
> Is it pre-electric guitar versus post-electric guitar?  Is it sweet band
> versus swing versus bebop?   Again, not genres but sound.
>
> Is it what one heard growing up?  Is it the music a person first claimed 
> as
> one's own?  Is it historical as in the knowledge that one's favorite band
> leader was once a sideman in an earlier band or that someone was a mentor
> or influence?  Is it because you are a musician?
>
> I love Emmitt Miller and Annie Ross, Gid Tanner and Merle Travis, early
> Louis and late Louis. Harlem Hamfats and the Treniers.  Blind Blake and
> Mickey Baker. Some Ethel Waters and most Muddy Waters.
>
> But there is a huge range of music that just hasn't touched me yet.  I can
> approach it academically but not emotionally.  My "ear" just doesn't
> respond.
>
> Has the march of time changed what you like or what excites you musically?
> Is there a time or a sound that just doesn't work for you?  How many eras
> are there in 78s history and which ones have you embraced?
>
> I'll hang up and listen.
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: warren moorman <wlmoorman3 at yahoo.com>
>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Date: 4/29/2009 4:57:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] How well did they do it.
>>
>>
>> This is certainly an issue for listeners, but let me mention a similar
> thing from the other direction. Psychologists have suggested that for some
> longtime performers, part of the reinforcing lure of a performing life is
> that the actual sound of applause (or for comics, laughter) is literally
> the
> same over time, and thus offers the illusion of having suspended the
> march of time.
>>
>> Warren
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/29/09, soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [78-L] How well did they do it.
>> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 2:45 PM
>> > When I was in New York recently, I saw Vince Giordano &
>> > his Nighthawks perform at Club Cache. The musicians are all
>> > seasoned studio performers,?most play on period instruments,
>> > and the group uses original charts - for me, that's as
>> > close as I will get to hearing what a '20s jazz/dance
>> > band might have sounded like.
>> >
>> > Cary Ginell
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com>
>> > To: 78-L at 78online.com
>> > Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 2:42 pm
>> > Subject: [78-L] How well did they do it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ?I've been thinking about exactly how accurately
>> > recordings were able to capture
>> > the sounds of the 20s, over 80 years ago.?? It's almost
>> > impossible to compare a
>> > recording with the original sound.? Any singers which were
>> > around then who might
>> > still be here certainly don't have the same voice.?
>> > Orchestras develop over the
>> > years and don't sound like they did 80 years ago.? I
>> > don't think any concert
>> > hall or recording studio has remained unchanged for that
>> > time.? Even if we could
>> > find instruments which were used on recordings then, the
>> > artists are all gone
>> > and the instruments also change with time.? One may find a
>> > pipe organ that
>> > hasn't been modified in 80 years but I can't think
>> > of one which was recorded
>> > back then which might still sound the same - Temple church
>> > was bombed in WWII,
>> > Royal Albert Hall's organ and acoustics have changed
>> > drastically since then.? I
>> > don't know if Mark Andrews', Jesse
>> > Crawford's?or Lew White's organs are still
>> > around.?
>> >  Choruses and choirs, of course are constantly changi
> ng.?
>> >
>> > What brought this thought to mind was that I was listening
>> > to records the other
>> > day recorded in 1927 which, I believe, are unique in that
>> > they are probably a
>> > few of the only recordings which can be compared today the
>> > their original
>> > source.? Those are the 5 Victor sides which are?recordings
>> > of the Carillon, (to
>> > avoid the word "Biels),?at the Victory Tower, Ottawa,
>> > (now the Peace Tower).?
>> > I've heard that Carillon many times and it's
>> > interesting to compare the
>> > recordings to the sound of the Carillon.
>> >
>> > db
>> >
>> > P.S. as soon as I finished this letter I imagined some
>> > mention of Herbert Von
>> > Carillon, so I'm glad I got that out of the way
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