[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 56

[David Lennick]

As I say, the items I mentioned are in the 1956-7 catalogue, and don't have 
"delete" black dots beside them..presumably Philips had no interest in older 
Kostelanetz and 5-year-old (plus) hits when they probably had enough to do to 
issue the newer recordings.

dl

burlinson wrote:
> When EMI UK Columbia lost the rights to issue Columbia USA recordings in the 
> UK
> all masters made before December 31 1952 remained with them for a sell-off 
> period of about two years
> and were supposed to destroyed!
> .
> 
> I believe that Philips could only issue recordings made AFTER January 1st 
> 1953, but were allowed to issue
> those made shortly before that date IF EMI had not chosen to release them 
> and they had been recorded by
> Columbia USA during the last three months of 1952.
> .
> For example Jo Stafford's A FOOL SUCH AS I/JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU
> issued as PB 111 was recorded in October & December 1952
> 
> The same applies to Johnnie Ray's Somebody Stole My Gal/Glad Rag Doll  PB 
> 123
> & Rosemary Clooney's Haven't Got A Worry/Lovely Weather For Ducks PB 121
> 
> Nigel Burlinson
> 
> 
> 
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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:19:40 -0400
>> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 - Columbia in the UK
>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>> Here's something interesting..yesterday I picked up the 1957 COLUMBIA MGM
>> PARLOPHONE catalogue (cutoff date June 1956) and many, many US Columbia
>> recordings are still listed as current. Lots of Frankie Laine, Andre
>> Kostelanetz, Gene Krupa, Woody Herman etc. Presumably they're all from 
>> before
>> the split, but how long did the US and UK Columbia labels hold onto each
>> other's back catalogue if it wasn't wanted by the newer representative? I 
>> know
>> American Columbia kept Dinu Lipatti's recordings well into the 70s.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> burlinson wrote:
>>> This is broadly correct; I would only add that the Fontana label was 
>>> started
>>> in 1958 when Philips
>>> realeaed that there was too much material coming from Columbia USA to
>>> release on the Philips label
>>> and moved some artists such as Johnny Mathis and Miles Davis to the 
>>> Fontana
>>> label.
>>>
>>> Much of the Columbia material that Philips had issued on its label was
>>> renumbered from
>>> 1962 onwards (BPG/SBPG for 12' Lp's) and issued on the CBS label.
>>>
>>> There was a rumor going round in the early 1990's in the UK  that Sony 
>>> paid
>>> EMI
>>> One Million dollars for the rights to use the Columbia label name & 
>>> logo's
>>> worldwide!!
>>>
>>> Nigel.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: Harold Aherne <leotolstoy_75 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] US Columbia in the UK
>>>> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>>> Message-ID: <407492.40721.qm at web63604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> I don't know exactly when Columbia Graphophone set up the UK branch 
>>>> (1900,
>>>> I
>>>> think I remember seeing), but from that point until 1951-52, US and UK
>>>> Columbia
>>>> were closely linked. Nonetheless, the corporate relationship did not
>>>> remain the
>>>> same during those 50-odd years. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any
>>>> of
>>>> these rather fine points.
>>>> ?
>>>> Until about 1922, UK Columbia was a subsidiary of US Columbia. The
>>>> American
>>>> branch went through some?financial turmoil in 1922-1923 and sold the
>>>> British firm,
>>>> which by 1925 bought the American branch (so *that* was now technically
>>>> the subsidiary).
>>>> That arrangement continued until the EMI merger in 1931. American 
>>>> Columbia
>>>> (and OKeh)
>>>> could not be included because of US anti-trust laws (e.g., EMI would own
>>>> Columbia and
>>>> have a large stake in Victor because of the HMV connection), so US
>>>> Columbia was sold
>>>> to the Grisby-Grunow company, makers of Majestic radios. They sold it to
>>>> ARC in 1934,
>>>> which was in turn bought by CBS in late 1938. They revived the Columbia
>>>> label several
>>>> months later; all through this time and up to the early 50s US Columbia
>>>> releases generally
>>>> appeared on UK Columbia (AFAIK).
>>>> ?
>>>> After the CBS-EMI relationship ended, Columbia releases appeared on
>>>> Phillips until 1961
>>>> and then, of course, on CBS (because EMI owned the rights to the 
>>>> Columbia
>>>> name in most
>>>> of the eastern hemisphere). EMI retired its Columbia label in 1972 (at
>>>> least in Britain, I don?t
>>>> know about the rest of Europe or India) and in the early 1990s
>>>> relinquished its rights to the
>>>> Columbia name back to Sony (by now the owner of the American Columbia
>>>> catalogue).
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> I think.
>>>> ?
>>>> -Harold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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