[78-L] The Hill Darn Thing's For You

Tue Apr 14 06:07:27 PDT 2009

Taylor
I happen to love the record (and a lot of tother balck sweet records, remember the last Parham's?), there are a couple of Webb's that are like that as well. I think I have the 78 to both Hill 1935's, but i am in the middle of packing and moving ... ICK!!
all the best
Yves

--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Taylor Bowie <bowiebks at isomedia.com> wrote:

> From: Taylor Bowie <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Hill Darn Thing's For You
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:10 PM
> Well,  I think we are down to splitting hairs at this point.
>  I have tried 
> to point out that the performance of Got Me Doin'
> Things by Hill is closer 
> to a sweet band sound than any of his other records,  or
> most records by 
> other black bands of the era.  But I'm not sure there
> are many of us besides 
> Al and I who know the record.
> 
> As to the merits of Anson Weeks's ensemble sound,  I
> will argue with Al 
> about that at a later time!  Until then,  I would suggest a
> listen to the 
> Weeks Brunswick of "You've Got Everything"
> for a great tenor-sax led 
> ensemble and a fine Bob Crosby vocal.  It may not be for
> all tastes but I 
> love it.
> 
> Taylor
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "simmonssomer"
> <simmonssomer at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The Hill Darn Thing's For You
> 
> 
> > What sets this Teddy Hill performance apart from that
> of a "sweet" band is
> > that every note is consistently played just a fraction
> ...behind the beat.
> > Sweet bands don't/can't play that way.
> It's one of those subtle trademarks
> > of the realy good swing era, jazz inflected bands.
> > There's more solid brass in the melody statement
> than in the usual "sweet'
> > band which  likes to deliver muted triple tongue
> effects, soppy tenor lead
> > exposition,
> > novelty sounds like "tick-tock" or slurping
> champagne through a bubbly
> > straw. Admittedly bands like Anson Weeks didn't
> stoop to these effects but
> > his ensemble sound left a whole lot to be desired.
> Check Dick Jurgens to 
> > see
> > how it should be done by a "sweet" band..
> > Although the Hill performance is subdued  it has the
> same rhythmic
> > philosophy as did the Lunceford band which was not a
> "hot" band as such,
> > but had a relaxed tempo that swung like mad.
> >
> > Al S,
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Taylor Bowie"
> <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
> > To: "78-L Mail List"
> <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:56 PM
> > Subject: [78-L] The Hill Darn Thing's For You
> >
> >
> >> Al is right...it's all in the sound...but (to
> return to the original
> >> record
> >> which started this discussion) I think the sound
> of the Teddy Hill record
> >> of
> >> Got Me Doin' Things IS a  "sweet
> band" sound.
> >>
> >> In my dictionary,  a sweet band or a sweet band
> arrangement is not a
> >> pejorative description,  and the band does not
> have to be playing in the
> >> style of the more "over the top" sorts
> of groups like Blue Barron or Ray
> >> Pearl.
> >>
> >> Something bouncy and peppy,  and even with an
> occasional lightly jazzy
> >> solo,
> >> can still qualify as a "sweet band"
> style performance.  Many of the Anson
> >> Weeks records could be described that way,  as
> well as those of Freddy
> >> Martin esp. in the 30s.  And I think that's
> the "category" of this
> >> particular record,  not that we need to put it or
> anything else into a
> >> category in order to enjoy.
> >>
> >> Taylor
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "simmonssomer"
> <simmonssomer at comcast.net>
> >> To: "78-L Mail List"
> <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:27 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [78-L] Good post from fnarf
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jeff  et al...I am aware that the black( and
> white) bands played waltzes
> >>> and
> >>> novelty numbers...but that did not make them
> "sweet" bands.
> >>>
> >>> You see folks...it's all in the
> sound...not the type of songs.
> >>>
> >>> Al S.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Julian Vein"
> <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
> >>> To: "78-L Mail List"
> <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:16 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Good post from fnarf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Jeff Sultanof wrote:
> >>>>> Al,
> >>>>  For years he would point out at Institute
> of Jazz Studies
> >>>>> Roundtable presentations that we could
> not get a full picture of the
> >>>>> black
> >>>>> bands because much of what they played
> on the job, even during the
> >>>>> times
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> their greatest popularity, was music
> that the labels wouldn't allow
> >>>>> them
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> record. The fact that even Benny
> Goodman had waltzes in his book 
> >>>>> proves
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> point. There was always someone who
> would request a waltz somewhere,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> bandleaders were expected to comply.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jeff Sultanof
> >>>> ===============
> >>>> Having said that, are there any broadcasts
> where Goodman played a 
> >>>> waltz?
> >>>> Perhaps he only played them in country
> dance halls (the most likely
> >>>> places they would have been performed)
> which weren't connected to the
> >>>> airwaves.
> >>>>
> >>>> I for one am glad that we don't have a
> full picture of what black bands
> >>>> played!
> >>>>
> >>>>      Julian Vein
> >>>>
> >>>>
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