[78-L] unstable records, was CV records

[joe@salerno.com]

Speed instability is not limited to minor labels or very early records. 
We could probably start a new thread of unstable 78s.

Rachmaninoff's "One Lives but Once" (Strauss) 78 is horrible for speed 
stability IIRC. There's one early piano recording on Gramophone (it's on 
APR but I'm too lazy to go look it up) where the artist starts playing 
before the platter is rotating up to speed. These were careless things, 
or machine malfunctions. It's more surprising that they allowed such a 
thing to be released, but in a new industry, who cares? CV records were 
an attempt to bring new technology to the market. I don't know if they 
played longer, but the sound quality would be more consistent through 
out the record, and I assume, surface noise as well.

joe salerno


yves francois wrote:
>   ...so a CV record is doing the opposite on purpose what the Gennett 6089 did by accident, probably due to faulty mechanisms, very interesting, guess my obsession with jazz does not take me to certain avenues of 78's
> thanks, I think I got it now
> Yves
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
> No.  A CV record (assuming an outside-start cut) played
>> back on a
>> regular turntable will either start out at a very high
>> pitch, much
>> faster than normal, gradually seeming to slow down toward
>> normalcy
>> toward the end, or if started at a speed where things sound
>> normal, it
>> will gradually sound slower and slower, as if things are
>> running down.
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> 
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] constant velocity records, was Value of 78's
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 2:07 PM
>> On 3/21/09, yves francois <aprestitine at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>    ... are we aware of one of the very rare records
>> Gennett 6089 (Vicksburg
>>> Blowers, reissued on Herw> in LP 109, Joe Bussard let
>> the Herwin record label
>>> use his disc for the LP reissue, I of course, never
>> seen this 78), it plays
>>> progressively faster on the last minute or so of the
>> record, is this similar
>>> to the concept you are talking about (though it sounds
>> like an error in the
>>> machinery on that record, both sides)? Too bad it is
>> not corrected, it is a
>>> reasonable performance (though not as good as the King
>> Brady's Clarinet Band
>>> on Black Patti of similar heritage)
>>> Yves Francois
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