[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 38
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:05:34 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
Subject: [78-L] R. I. P. Citizen Kafka 1947-2009
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David Nolan gave me permission to cross-post this from ARSC-List. Those of
you who are 78-L old-timers will recognize the signature Citizen Kafka.
Although it has been many years since he graced this list, he was a great
guy and did a lot of interesting posts here.
Dave Nolan Audio wrote:
> It is with great sadness that I tell you that Citizen Kafka (a.k.a. Richie
> Shulberg) passed away suddenly at home on Saturday. He was 61.
>
> For those who are not familiar with Kafka's amazing body of work, he was a
> long-time WBAI (99.5FM Pacifica Radio, NYC) producer who created some of
the
> funniest radio comedy bits in history on the Citizen Kafka Radio Hour with
his
> partners in crime Kenny Kosek (Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band, amongst many
others),
> and actor John Goodman (just before his rise to fame).
>
> He founded and led the Wretched Refuse String Band, which featured Kosek,
Andy
> Statman, and many other famed bluegrass players amongst its alumni, as
well as
> the harder-edged electric Citizen Kafka Band.
>
> He was also an avid collector of just about everything from rare 78's to
dried
> armadillos and laboratory glassware (I once had the distinct privilege of
> helping him to reorganize his storage area when it lived in a double-wide
> tenement basement on W. 18th St. - before the collection became so large
that it
> had to move to an actual warehouse).
>
> On both WBAI and WFMU (with co-producer Pat Conte), he produced a
brilliant
> program called Secret Museum of the Air, featuring many rare and obscure
> recordings from the cylinder era, acoustic recordings, early ethnic music
> releases, and many other odd audio collectors items.
>
> He was a creative force, and more importantly, a complete mensch in every
sense
> of the word. Always giving of his time, knowledge, and basic human
friendship -
> he will be sorely missed...
>
> Services are today (Monday) at 1:00pm at the I. J. Morris Funeral Home,
1895
> Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn.
>
> dave nolan DaveNolanAudio at earthlink.net
> 92nd Street Y
> nyc
>
Dave further reported to me about the above mentioned services:
> Even if he dropped off the 78-list a few years ago, he was such a vital
> and important part of the collecting community, that everyone there should
know.
> The service today was very short - probably the first time anything
> having to do with Kafka started on time and ended early. I was
> expecting the speakers to go on for hours ;-)
> There are plans in the works to do a real Kafka-style memorial, with
> all his old musical and comedy friends performing and paying tribute
> long into the night. I'll keep you posted when that comes together.
I crashed at his apartment one night about 8 or 9 years ago when I
needed a place to stay in NYC before my daughter moved there. Just a
week ago I was being interviewed by a Seattle public radio broadcaster
and I talked about two sets of records he sold me from the Bea Lillie
collection he had gotten from her secretary. There's a Nov 1934
broadcast on lacquer coated aluminum and a Jan 1935 broadcast on
uncoated aluminum. The former are among the earliest lacquers in
existence, and the latter show that the changeover was not total
immediately. And they are otherwise unknown broadcasts.
Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:12:15 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] R. I. P. Citizen Kafka 1947-2009
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We corresponded a few years ago..not only was he an admirer of the art of
Madame Florence Foster J-Cloth, he also had many recordings by the FloJay
wannabes, Ellis and Norma Jean Chadburne (aka Thomas Fiddles while Jenny
Burns
or whatever the hell they called themselves on that horrible Faust
Travesty).
Did he have MS?
dl
Michael Biel wrote:
> David Nolan gave me permission to cross-post this from ARSC-List. Those
of you who are 78-L old-timers will recognize the signature Citizen Kafka.
Although it has been many years since he graced this list, he was a great
guy and did a lot of interesting posts here.
>
>
>
> Dave Nolan Audio wrote:
>> It is with great sadness that I tell you that Citizen Kafka (a.k.a.
Richie
>> Shulberg) passed away suddenly at home on Saturday. He was 61.
>>
>> For those who are not familiar with Kafka's amazing body of work, he was
a
>> long-time WBAI (99.5FM Pacifica Radio, NYC) producer who created some of
the
>> funniest radio comedy bits in history on the Citizen Kafka Radio Hour
with his
>> partners in crime Kenny Kosek (Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band, amongst many
others),
>> and actor John Goodman (just before his rise to fame).
>>
>> He founded and led the Wretched Refuse String Band, which featured Kosek,
Andy
>> Statman, and many other famed bluegrass players amongst its alumni, as
well as
>> the harder-edged electric Citizen Kafka Band.
>>
>> He was also an avid collector of just about everything from rare 78's to
dried
>> armadillos and laboratory glassware (I once had the distinct privilege of
>> helping him to reorganize his storage area when it lived in a double-wide
>> tenement basement on W. 18th St. - before the collection became so large
that it
>> had to move to an actual warehouse).
>>
>> On both WBAI and WFMU (with co-producer Pat Conte), he produced a
brilliant
>> program called Secret Museum of the Air, featuring many rare and obscure
>> recordings from the cylinder era, acoustic recordings, early ethnic music
>> releases, and many other odd audio collectors items.
>>
>> He was a creative force, and more importantly, a complete mensch in every
sense
>> of the word. Always giving of his time, knowledge, and basic human
friendship -
>> he will be sorely missed...
>>
>> Services are today (Monday) at 1:00pm at the I. J. Morris Funeral Home,
1895
>> Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn.
>>
>> dave nolan DaveNolanAudio at earthlink.net
>> 92nd Street Y
>> nyc
>>
>
> Dave further reported to me about the above mentioned services:
>
>> Even if he dropped off the 78-list a few years ago, he was such a vital
>> and important part of the collecting community, that everyone there
should know.
>
>> The service today was very short - probably the first time anything
>> having to do with Kafka started on time and ended early. I was
>> expecting the speakers to go on for hours ;-)
>
>> There are plans in the works to do a real Kafka-style memorial, with
>> all his old musical and comedy friends performing and paying tribute
>> long into the night. I'll keep you posted when that comes together.
>
>
> I crashed at his apartment one night about 8 or 9 years ago when I
> needed a place to stay in NYC before my daughter moved there. Just a
> week ago I was being interviewed by a Seattle public radio broadcaster
> and I talked about two sets of records he sold me from the Bea Lillie
> collection he had gotten from her secretary. There's a Nov 1934
> broadcast on lacquer coated aluminum and a Jan 1935 broadcast on
> uncoated aluminum. The former are among the earliest lacquers in
> existence, and the latter show that the changeover was not total
> immediately. And they are otherwise unknown broadcasts.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
>
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>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:06:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] St. Patrick's Day Tribute to South Boston
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I'm hip, but somehow "Irishwoman" just doesn't make it. Unless, of course,
we are referring to the Irish Washerwoman.
Bud
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From: Michael Biel
Date: 3/17/2009 11:50:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [78-L] St. Patrick's Day Tribute to South Boston
Bud Black wrote:
> Once upon a time there were two Irishmen.
>
> Now there's millions of them.
>
> Bud
Uh, Bud, isn't there something missing in this equation? It can't just
be Paddy and Clancy. It has to be Patty and Clancy.
Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:13:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [78-L] St. Patrick's Day Tribute to South Boston
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There is one exception of course. Massachusetts !!
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Bud Black wrote:
> Once upon a time there were two Irishmen.
>
> Now there's millions of them.
>
> Bud
Uh, Bud, isn't there something missing in this equation? It can't just
be Paddy and Clancy. It has to be Patty and Clancy.
Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:29:48 -0400
From: soundthink at aol.com
Subject: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
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For the past few years, Jack Lawrence managed his own website and was quite
accessible to queries from fans. I asked him a few questions myself,
concerning his writing the lyrics to "Johnson Rag" for the Jack Teter Trio.
Cary Ginell
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/arts/music/18lawrence.html
March 18, 2009
Jack Lawrence, Writer of Hit Songs, Dies at 96
By RICHARD SEVERO
Jack Lawrence, a reluctant podiatrist who chose to do what he had always
wanted to do as a kid in early-20th-century Brooklyn, write lyrics for songs
(many of which became hits), died Sunday in Danbury, Conn. He was 96 and
lived in West Redding, Conn.
The cause was renal failure and complications of a fall at his home, his
son, Richard, said.
Mr. Lawrence?s biggest hits, with lyrics that tend toward the dreamy,
romantic and simple, include:
If I Didn?t Care,? for which he wrote both the lyrics and music and which,
in 1939, became the Ink Spots?s first hit.
?All or Nothing at All,? with music by Arthur Altman, a No. 1 song in 1943
for Frank Sinatra, with the Harry James Orchestra.
?Linda,? for which Mr. Lawrence wrote the lyrics and the music, a No. 1 hit
in 1947 for Buddy Clark that was successfully reprised by Jan and Dean in
1963.
And ?Tenderly,? with music by Walter Gross, which hit the charts in 1947
when sung by Sarah Vaughan and again in 1952 when it helped re-ignite
Rosemary Clooney?s career.
Mr. Lawrence made it big with his first20published song, ?Play, Fiddle,
Play,? in 1932, the same year he graduated from podiatry school. It
convinced him that his career could rise higher than the human foot. Though
he had almost no musical training, he had written songs as a boy and went to
podiatry school only because of ?parental pressure,? he wrote in an
autobiographical sketch.
Though he was mostly a lyricist, he wrote both the words and the music for
?Yes, My Darling Daughter,? made famous in 1940 by Dinah Shore.
?If I Didn?t Care,? sung by the Ink Spots, became so recognizable in the
early 1940s that it was spoofed by Glenn Miller?s band in his wartime hit
record ?Juke Box Saturday Night.?
Mr. Lawrence wrote new words to a popular French song called ?La Mer,? by
Albert Lasry and Charles Trenet; it became a hit in 1948 as ?Beyond the
Sea.? The instrumental version by Percy Faith was popular, but Bobby Darin
made a bigger hit of it in 1959 with an up-tempo version using Mr.
Lawrence?s lyrics.
Born Jack Lawrence Schwartz in Brooklyn on April 7, 1912, Mr. Lawrence was
the third of four sons of Barney and Fanny Goldman Cherniafsky, who had
immigrated from Ukraine in 1902. Immigration officials on Ellis Island
changed their last name. When he started publishing songs, Mr. Lawrence
dropped his last name.
Mr. Lawrence graduated from Thomas Jefferson High School, then earned a
podiatry degree from the First Institute of Podiatry20(now the New York
College of Podiatric Medicine) in 1932. That same year, ?Play, Fiddle, Play?
was published; in 1933 it was featured in the film comedy ?Dinner at Eight?
and became quite popular.
During World War II, Mr. Lawrence served in the Coast Guard and later, at
his request, was transferred to the United States merchant marine. After the
war, he went to Hollywood, where he wrote songs for a number of movies.
?Hold My Hand,? written with Richard Myers for ?Susan Slept Here,? was
nominated for an Oscar as best song in 1954.
In 1979, Mr. Lawrence adopted his partner, Richard Debnam; he is Mr.
Lawrence?s only survivor.
Lyrics sometimes came to Mr. Lawrence from his day-to-day encounters. One
lovely afternoon in the late ?30s, while sitting on a park bench in New
York, he overheard a nearby couple snared in a lovers? quarrel.
?You don?t love me,? the girl said. ?If I didn?t care,? the boy replied,
then offered a litany of reasons to trust his intentions. So began the Ink
Spots? hit.
Dennis Hevesi contributed reporting.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:46:19 -0400
From: soundthink at aol.com
Subject: [78-L] Anne Brown, Gershwin's "Bess" passes at 96
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Anne Brown, George Gershwin's original "Bess" in "Porgy and Bess," died in
Norway recently at the age of 96. Brown was the last surviving cast member
from the original 1935 Broadway production. I wrote about Brown in a new
songbook edition of "Porgy" that I published with Alfred Music Publishing.
She was a 23-year-old Juilliard student when she auditioned for the show,
initially just trying to land any part in the opera. In her audition with
Gershwin, she was asked by the composer to sing a spiritual. In the
beginning, she was wary of Gershwin's motives, fearing that she was being
placed in a stereotypical "darkie" role, but when he convinced her otherwise
and told her?the story, she was intrigued and?sang "City Called Heaven" for
him. She not only was hired, she was selected to play the lead role of Bess.
Obituaries for Brown will have you believe that Gershwin changed the name of
the opera from "Porgy" (after DuBose Heyward's original 1926 novel) to
"Porgy and Bess' to give Brown title billing, but this was not the case.
Theatre Guild asked Gershwin to come up with a new title for the show and it
was Heyward himself who recommended "Porgy and Bess," noting similar dual
character titles in operas such as "Samson and Delilah," "Tristan und
Isolde," and "Pelleas and Melisande." Gershwin, flattered to be in such
stellar company, agreed to the new title.
Although "Porgy and Bess" did not have an original cast recording, Decca did
include Brown and co-star Todd Duncan ("Porgy") in the 1940 revival, which
was issued in two parts: on a 4-disc 12" 78 rpm album and then again in the
1942 revival by Cheryl Crawford, this time issued on 3 10" 78s.
Cary Ginell
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:57:37 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Anne Brown, Gershwin's "Bess" passes at 96
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No Original Cast album as such, but broadcast and rehearsal excerpts have
survived including the rehearsal disc recorded in 1935 and the highlights
sung
at the Hollywood Bowl Gershwin Memorial Concert (the latter available from
yours truly, the former on a MusicMasters CD). Anne is on both.
dl
soundthink at aol.com wrote:
> Anne Brown, George Gershwin's original "Bess" in "Porgy and Bess," died in
Norway recently at the age of 96. Brown was the last surviving cast member
from the original 1935 Broadway production. I wrote about Brown in a new
songbook edition of "Porgy" that I published with Alfred Music Publishing.
She was a 23-year-old Juilliard student when she auditioned for the show,
initially just trying to land any part in the opera. In her audition with
Gershwin, she was asked by the composer to sing a spiritual. In the
beginning, she was wary of Gershwin's motives, fearing that she was being
placed in a stereotypical "darkie" role, but when he convinced her otherwise
and told her?the story, she was intrigued and?sang "City Called Heaven" for
him. She not only was hired, she was selected to play the lead role of Bess.
>
> Obituaries for Brown will have you believe that Gershwin changed the name
of the opera from "Porgy" (after DuBose Heyward's original 1926 novel) to
"Porgy and Bess' to give Brown title billing, but this was not the case.
Theatre Guild asked Gershwin to come up with a new title for the show and it
was Heyward himself who recommended "Porgy and Bess," noting similar dual
character titles in operas such as "Samson and Delilah," "Tristan und
Isolde," and "Pelleas and Melisande." Gershwin, flattered to be in such
stellar company, agreed to the new title.
>
> Although "Porgy and Bess" did not have an original cast recording, Decca
did include Brown and co-star Todd Duncan ("Porgy") in the 1940 revival,
which was issued in two parts: on a 4-disc 12" 78 rpm album and then again
in the 1942 revival by Cheryl Crawford, this time issued on 3 10" 78s.
>
> Cary Ginell
> ______________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:11:49 -0400
From: soundthink at aol.com
Subject: Re: [78-L] Anne Brown, Gershwin's "Bess" passes at 96
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I'm told by the Ira Gershwin estate that Anne was probably the last direct
connection to George Gershwin still alive. Don't know who else there might
be who knew him personally who is still around.
Cary Ginell
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Subject: Re: [78-L] Anne Brown, Gershwin's "Bess" passes at 96
No Original Cast album as such, but broadcast and rehearsal excerpts have
survived including the rehearsal disc recorded in 1935 and the highlights
sung
at the Hollywood Bowl Gershwin Memorial Concert (the latter available from
yours truly, the former on a MusicMasters CD). Anne is on both.
dl
soundthink at aol.com wrote:
> Anne Brown, George Gershwin's original "Bess" in "Porgy and Bess," died in
Norway recently at the age of 96. Brown was the last surviving cast member
from
the original 1935 Broadway production. I wrote about Brown in a new songbook
edition of "Porgy" that I published with Alfred Music Publishing. She was a
23-year-old Juilliard student when she auditioned for the show, initially
just
trying to land any part in the opera. In her audition with Gershwin, she was
asked by the composer to sing a spiritual. In the beginning, she was wary of
Gershwin's motives, fearing that she was being placed in a stereotypical
"darkie" role, but when he convinced her otherwise and told her?the story,
she
was intrigued and?sang "City Called Heaven" for him. She not only was hired,
she
was selected to play the lead role of Bess.
>
> Obituaries for Brown will have you believe that Gershwin changed the name
of
the opera from "Porgy" (after DuBose Heyward's original 1926 novel) to
"Porgy
and Bess' to give Brown title billing, but this was not the case. Theatre
Guild
asked Gershwin to come up with a new title for the show and it was Heyward
himself who recommended "Porgy and Bess," noting similar dual character
titles
in operas such as "Samson and Delilah," "Tristan und Isolde," and "Pelleas
and
Melisande." Gershwin, flattered to be in such stellar company, agreed to the
new
title.
>
> Although "Porgy and Bess" did not have an original cast recording, Decca
did
include Brown and co-star Todd Duncan ("Porgy") in the 1940 revival, which
was
issued in two parts: on a 4-disc 12" 78 rpm album and then again in the 1942
revival by Cheryl Crawford, this time issued on 3 10" 78s.
>
> Cary Ginell
> __
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:10:45 +0100
From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
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> Though he was mostly a lyricist, he wrote both the words and the music for
> ?Yes, My Darling Daughter,? made > famous in 1940 by Dinah Shore.
--
Not quite. He borrowed the music from an Ukrainian tune, "Oy ne khody,
Hritsu", which, itself, is said to be variations of the old cossack Minka
theme, also used by Beethoven, Hummel and Carl Maria von Weber.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrGI0FncYc
More about the song (from a youtube discussion):
"This is a 17th century Ukrainian song by semi-legendary female author
Marusya Churaj. The song advises a man (Marusya's love) named Gryts' not to
go to vechornyci, or traditional evening party for the youth. Gryts' went to
this party, and was enchanted by a girl there. The song's refrain is 'lutshe
bylo'- it would have been better not to have gone to the party, not to have
known love and not to have loved, rather than to have experienced it and now
having to let it go."
Kristjan
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:14:59 -0500
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
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Definitely not Minka..an entirely different melody. But Jack's parents were
from the Ukraine so it's likely something he heard at home.
dl
Kristjan Saag wrote:
>> Though he was mostly a lyricist, he wrote both the words and the music
for
>> ???Yes, My Darling Daughter,??? made > famous in 1940 by Dinah Shore.
> --
> Not quite. He borrowed the music from an Ukrainian tune, "Oy ne khody,
> Hritsu", which, itself, is said to be variations of the old cossack Minka
> theme, also used by Beethoven, Hummel and Carl Maria von Weber.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrGI0FncYc
>
> More about the song (from a youtube discussion):
>
> "This is a 17th century Ukrainian song by semi-legendary female author
> Marusya Churaj. The song advises a man (Marusya's love) named Gryts' not
to
> go to vechornyci, or traditional evening party for the youth. Gryts' went
to
> this party, and was enchanted by a girl there. The song's refrain is
'lutshe
> bylo'- it would have been better not to have gone to the party, not to
have
> known love and not to have loved, rather than to have experienced it and
now
> having to let it go."
>
> Kristjan
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:15:36 -0700
From: "Taylor Bowie" <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
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A great adaptation...I love the Miller record of it...great hard-swinging
sound on that one.
Taylor B
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>> Though he was mostly a lyricist, he wrote both the words and the music
>> for
>> ?Yes, My Darling Daughter,? made > famous in 1940 by Dinah Shore.
> --
> Not quite. He borrowed the music from an Ukrainian tune, "Oy ne khody,
> Hritsu", which, itself, is said to be variations of the old cossack Minka
> theme, also used by Beethoven, Hummel and Carl Maria von Weber.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrGI0FncYc
>
> More about the song (from a youtube discussion):
>
> "This is a 17th century Ukrainian song by semi-legendary female author
> Marusya Churaj. The song advises a man (Marusya's love) named Gryts' not
> to
> go to vechornyci, or traditional evening party for the youth. Gryts' went
> to
> this party, and was enchanted by a girl there. The song's refrain is
> 'lutshe
> bylo'- it would have been better not to have gone to the party, not to
> have
> known love and not to have loved, rather than to have experienced it and
> now
> having to let it go."
>
> Kristjan
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:21:16 +0100
From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
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David Lennick wrote:
> Definitely not Minka..an entirely different melody. But Jack's parents
> were
> from the Ukraine so it's likely something he heard at home.
Take another listen, David.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrGI0FncYc
Kristjan
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:32:09 -0700
From: "Taylor Bowie" <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
Subject: Re: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
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Like the old Certs TV commercial: "Stop, You're Both Right!"
I think it is the same tune and I bet young Jack DID hear it at home!
Taylor
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From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Jack Lawrence (1912-2009)
> David Lennick wrote:
>
>> Definitely not Minka..an entirely different melody. But Jack's parents
>> were
>> from the Ukraine so it's likely something he heard at home.
>
> Take another listen, David.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYrGI0FncYc
> Kristjan
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