[78-L] Dates on AFRS transcriptions

[David Lennick]

I've sent Joe the specifics off list, but the AFRS set is New York Philharmonic 
Program #59, and the date on the discs is October *21* 1945, not October 28. So 
which is it, I wonder? V-Disc Book says October 28th.

dl

joe at salerno.com wrote:
> This ads more mystery to the thing. What AFRS set is it that contains 
> the Kapell/Rodzinski?
> 
> C'mon, you knew I was going to ask, for discographical purposes at least...
> 
> joe salerno
> 
> 
> David Lennick wrote:
>> That's odd, because I HAVE the Kapell-Rodzinski Rhapsody on AFRS (and on 
>> V-Disc)..they must have split the concert. I think there was half a Mahler 
>> Symphony on the same set of discs. I sent Richard Rodzinski a copy, since he 
>> didn't have this program.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> joe at salerno.com wrote:
>>> Don't know about popular, but in the case of classical AFRS ET dates are 
>>> MOSTLY correct, as far as I know. I've documented one instance in which 
>>> they substituted material without a note on the date.
>>>
>>> This instance was the Oct 28, 1945 performance of the Paganini Rhapsody 
>>> with Kapell/Rodzinski/NYPS. This performance was issued on V-Discs. On 
>>> the AFRS release of the same concert, the orchestral selections are 
>>> there, but Kapell is nowhere to be found. For his portion they 
>>> substituted the Strauss Burlesque with Arrau from a few weeks before. 
>>> That additional date is not given in the run out, like anyone cared, nor 
>>> does the announcer mention the fact that there was a different conductor 
>>> for the Strauss on that other date, whose name I am not thinking of at 
>>> the moment.
>>>
>>> I have wondered if the AFRS & V-Disc producers cooperated in such 
>>> matters to avoid redundancy in sending material to the troops, or if 
>>> this was the decision of some conscientious program planner, or an 
>>> accident. I've never encountered this any other instance, or known of 
>>> some incident to check on.
>>>
>>> Anyone else on the list know of such an occurence?
>>>
>>> joe salerno
>>>
>>> David Lennick wrote:
>>>> When an AFRS transcription shows a date in the land, which other sources 
>>>> confirm to be the original broadcast date, is it safe to assume that this may 
>>>> have nothing to do with the actual date of cutting or dubbing? I've been 
>>>> transferring several "Date with the Duke" programs, some of which show dates 
>>>> and others showing "dubbed" (meaning pieced together from leftovers), but in a 
>>>> couple of cases with dates, there are songs inserted which the band didn't play 
>>>> till a couple of months later.
>>>>
>>>> (Related question: Did the AFRS producers have a bet to see how many times they 
>>>> could insert the execrable Kay Davis massacring "Yesterdays"? I swear I've 
>>>> heard it six times so far. What was the deal with her anyway..did she come out 
>>>> naked?)
>>>>
>>>> dl