[78-L] Need info on a center-start Pathe

[Michael Biel]

I forwarded on your info and two requests to Tim Brooks, for a scan of 
the catalog and info on the flip side.  I happen to have three 14-inch 
center starts right here at the computer because I had gotten them at 
the New Jersey music show and didn't get around to bringing them 
downstairs in the three weeks since I got home.  The dealer had about 15 
for more money that I wanted to pay since there was no recording that 
really caught my interest, but there were three with haircracks for only 
a couple of bucks, so those are the ones I got.  Turns out that two are 
the same except one was made in France and the other in Belgium.  Do I 
read this right that the disc's catalog number is the number in the 
diamond, the cylinder master number is before the title around the label 
area rim, and the trasnfer number is at the bottom below the Pathe name? 

6229 Le Cimbre (Signard) Pas redouble- on the Belgium pressing has a 
number on a diamond shaped sticker of 2151, and a number at the bottom 
67761.RA  but on the French pressing the number on the diamond paper 
sticker below the spindle hole seems to have been rubbed out.  The other 
side of that French pressing  6896-  American Parade (Fremaux) Marche 
caracteristique. also has a rubbed out paper diamond but has an engraved 
diamond with 2151 above the spindle hole, but does not have paint in 
it.  The number at the bottom is 68270.RA   But that side on the French 
pressing has an engraved and paint filled number in a diamond below the 
spindle hole of 8215.  Was this record's catalog number changed or 
different in different markets?

The other record is a two parter, 93065 with a raised A above a dash on 
Part 1 and a B above a dash on Part 2.  Egmont Overture (Beethoven)  The 
Pathe Symphony Orchestra under the direction of Miss L. Bryant.  Both 
sides have 2194 in the diamond, 98583_RA on side one and 98609_RA on 
side 2, but both sides also have a 57 in a square box to the right of 
the spindle hole.  All have paint.  What is the 57 snf is it unusual 
that the conductor was a woman?  And what are the dates? 

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com

Mike Biel wrote
>>> Can someone supply the recording date (exact or estimated) and the city 
>>> of this 14" (actually 13-3/4") European Pathe, stamped "made in France" 
>>> but imported into the U.S. around 1914. The embossed label says:
>>>
>>> "Fascination - Waltz  - Berkes Bela Hungarian Orchestra - Budapest. 
>>> Pathe 2030". Two other numbers on the label, both unique to this side, 
>>> are "an.39457" and "57166 G.R."
>>>       
Chris Zwarg wrote:
>> "39457" is the master-cylinder number, Pathé's equivalent to a matrix number; but these were allocated out of any sensible numerical sequence and so are not much help for dating. "An." probably denotes "American" as the copy was intended for that market - in fact I have never seen "An." before, but "Al." (=Allemand) and "Rs." (=Russian) have been seen on copies lettered in these languages. 
>>     
>
> Small correction of my own message above: "An." naturally is for "Anglais" (= English) - Pathé wasn't exporting to the USA in 1910, and the double-face number (2030) is from the British catalogue.
>
> What's on the other side of this record?
>
> Chris Zwarg 
>