[78-L] Stereo copies?

Fri Dec 5 12:02:33 PST 2008

"Laughing On Record - A Comedy Discography" lists another (non-US ?) 
release for the first volume:
GNP Crescendo S7002.

BC
Le 5 déc. 08, à 20:23, Michael Biel a écrit :

>
> Stereo copies of The First Family say STEREO on the label to the left 
> of
> the spindle hole, and have the catalog number CLP 25060, and say 
> Cadence
> Stereo CLP 25060 in blue at the top left of the front cover.  Monos say
> Cadence CLP 3060 in white letters at the bottom left of the front
> cover.  The rear covers are the same for both, and include both numbers
> and the statement that it was recorded in mono and stereo at Fine on 
> Oct
> 22.  (What it doesn't say is that this was the evening that JFK made 
> his
> major Cuban missile crisis TV speech and that Meader  watched the 
> speech
> in the hotel bar and it made it feel much better about doing the album
> because it was such a strong speech.  That info is in the Life magazine
> article the picture was in.)  The matrix numbers were different on the
> stereo copies.  They made a mistake on the masters for the RCA
> Indianapolis and had to cross the handwritten ones out and restamp them
> in RCA type lettering.  It should be NO9Y-3074 and 3075.  Just noticed 
> I
> have 5 stereo copies now, 4 from RCA Indianapolis and one RCA Rockaway.
>
> Cadence Records at that time were usually pressed by RCA Victor, so I
> consider them to be the primary presser of this album.  RCA's matrix
> format consisted of a prefix made up of four letters and digits,
> followed by a serial number of four digits. The mono record was 
> assigned
> N09P-3072 amd 3073.  The N indicates 1962, and the others indicate it
> was an outside supplied master for custom pressings.  When RCA did the
> cutting these are usually stamped in small lettering, and are followed
> by a dash, a number, and the letter S, as in -2S.  That indicates the
> number of this master cut from the tape.  RCA did not do the cutting of
> this record, so that suffix is not there.  But there are indications of
> which pressing plant was used and which master was used.  They had 
> three
> plants: Rockaway, New Jersey; Indianapolis, Indiana; and Hollywood,
> California.  Cadence initially supplied a set of masters for each 
> plant,
> and etched R-1 or IND-1 or H-1 for each.  When it soon became evident
> another set of masters will be needed, another set with R-2, IND-2, and
> H-2 were supplied. For some reason, the person cutting this set made 
> the
> spacing between the tracks much wider than usual. It is not unusual to
> find copies with, for example, R-2 on one side and R-1 on the other.  
> As
> on all RCA pressings from the 1950s and later, when you hold the record
> so that the etched RCA format number is at the 6 O'Clock position, if
> you look at the top there will be a tiny stamped R, I, or H as pressing
> plant indicators.  The cutter also etched the Cadence catalog number,
> and on the -1 masters also wrote his initials.  The RCA pressings have 
> a
> deep groove about a half inch in the label area about a half inch 
> inside
> the outer edge of the label.  The Canadian pressing I have is a Compo
> which uses IND-1 masters with the tiny letter I crossed out.
>
> Capitol Records used the same matrix numbers RCA Victor assigned, but
> they did their own cutting, so the masters have their normal style of
> stamped numbering.  There is a dash number that probably indicate
> stampers.  The one I've pulled out from Scranton has -N18 on side one
> and -N14 on side two.  Another has -N10 and -N13.   The pressing plant
> indicator in this case is a chevron that has 2 points on one side and 1
> point on the other.  I think I have a different Capitol plant that uses
> an oval with three letters inside, but can't find it now.
>
> Columbia uses their own matrix numbers XTV-86619 and 86620 with a 
> suffix
> that has a number and two letters which indicate tape transfer and
> mother and stamper.  I have not been able to figure out pressing plant
> markings on Columbias.
>
> Sonic does not have any numbers other than the Cadence catalog number,
> but SONIC is also hand etched.   I can't find copies for the other
> plants right now.  There's about 40 copies on the pile here, including
> the stereos, the Vol 2 mono and stereo, the Canadian, and the London
> American Series copy I found in England.  Also the Congressional 
> Records
> reissue which has both records in one sleeve, with the front covers of
> V1 on the front and V2 on the back.  No liner notes unless they were on
> a slip enclosed.  What makes matters worse, there is a 3-inch yellow
> circle printed on the lower lefts of both saying "CONGRESSIONAL RECORDS
> . . . Presents A Priceless COLLECTORS ALBUM IN ITS ORIGINAL PACKAGE.
> (Specially Cerified Limited Edition Pressing)"  They block off a large
> portion of both covers to tell us it is its original pacakage!!!!!
> Dunderheads.
>
> There are numerous label differences in typeface and whether or not the
> track timings are included.  And I have a Vol 2 mono from Columbia and
> two mono white label advance pressings, one from RCA and one from
> Columbia.  The stereo is a regular Columbia pressing.  I really need to
> make a full chart to have with me when I shop so I know what I have.  I
> look at every copy I see.  I buy all stereo copies, all Vol 2s, all
> non-US pressings, and all non-RCA, Capitol, Columbia pressings, and 
> even
> get them if they are really cheap.
>
> I just realized that Vol 1 is pictured in the lower right of one side 
> of
> the printed Cadence inner-sleeve.  They must have had to dump all of
> them after the assassination.
>
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>
> David Lennick wrote:
>> If it doesn't say STEREO anywhere on the label, it's mono. Album 
>> covers
>> generally used only one design for front and back, made longer than 
>> actual size
>> so that by shifting something, the stereo designation could appear 
>> across the
>> top or bottom or not at all, and the back cover often showed both 
>> mono and
>> stereo catalog numbers.
>>
>> Matrix numbers are usually on the label AND in the dead grooves, 
>> although some
>> companies never showed them (Capitol, for instance, as well as some 
>> small
>> labels). As Mike Biel points out, The First Family was such a big 
>> seller in
>> such a short time that ten pressing plants were called into service. 
>> There may
>> well be different matrix numbers and certainly different numbers at 
>> the end of
>> the sequence to indicate which transfer or possibly which set of 
>> stampers was
>> in use. Mike..which one IS the first?
>>
>> dl
>>
>> P G C wrote:
>>
>>> It is written "recorded in stereo", it is the album back cover, 
>>> maybe the record itself is mono, I don't know.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on how to find out?
>>>
>>>
>> P G C also wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, now is the time to ask a very old question I have.
>>>
>>> How can I find the matrix numbrer in a record?
>>> (truly i don't know)
>>>
>> _______________________________
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