[78-L] Experimental Electrics on Autograph Label

[Michael Biel]

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Subject: Re: [78-L] Experimental Electrics on Autograph Label
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, November 17, 2008 12:44 pm
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1921 seems early for Marsh, although it's possible..?
http://www.mainspringpress.com/marsh_electric.html

dl

I hadn't seen this set of pages before.  The photos are great, and the
preliminary discography if very extensive.  What is very interesting is
the label photo on the lower right, the Mallard Calling record from Tom
Turpin of Memphis. Although the matrix numbers seem to be very low, 24-1
and 25-2, I have a feeling that this disc might be much later.  Note
that there are unrelated matrices of 24 and 25 also in the matrix
listing.  Furthermore, this beige label is of a style used around 1930
for the 33 R.M.P.(sic)speed music library discs that were discussed here
a couple of months ago.  What is the most interesting about this label
is the notation "This record not to be used as licensed (???) for
broadcasting, or for calling ducks is violation of the law."  The only
other early "Not for radio broadcasting" notice I've seen is on one 1924
Gennett record I have.  This picture is noted as being from David
Giovannoni, and perhaps we ought to ask him what that illegible word is,
as well as whether this seems to be a later record, or perhaps a later
pressing of early matrices.  

As for that jazz record, it is listed as matrices 30 and 35.

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  

Michael Biel wrote:
> From: yves francois <aprestitine at yahoo.com>
>> Hello Al, you are correct. The Autographs at that time were electric,
>> for certain the Merrit Brunis on Autograph is electric, as are the
>> Morton's and Oliver/Morton duets. There is also a test pressing
>> from circa 1921/2 that is probably of Autograph provenance of an
>> "unknown black Chicago band" playing a wild "Muscle Shoals Blues"
>> on a Ragtime to Jazz reissue on the Timeless label (volume 2),
>> so Marsh was experimenting for a while with the electric recording process. 
> 
> 
> I don't doubt it because there were others experimenting with electrical
> recording between 1920 and 1924, but if they do not know what band it
> is, how do they date it that early? Do you know any details? By the
> way, there was another Chicagoian experimenting with electrical
> recording in 1921-22. Benjamin Franklin Miessner was doing it at
> Brunswick, but no details are known other than a letter to the AES
> Journal he wrote in the 60s. 
> 
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, simmonssomer <simmonssomer at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> From: simmonssomer <simmonssomer at comcast.net>
>> This is probably old stuff to many on our list so I
>> apologize if this has 
>> already been settled or resolved in old posts.
>> I've just run across a pencilled scrawl in my Rust
>> "Jazz Records" referring 
>> to some September 1924 recordings of Merrit Brunies and His
>> Friars Club 
>> Orchestra on the Autograph label in Chicago as being
>> electric.
>> Does anyone have any details on this?
>>
>> Al Simmons
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