[78-L] OT: Earl in New York. Last Show.
spats47 at ntlworld.com
spats47 at ntlworld.com
Sat Nov 15 11:06:49 PST 2008
Hi!
Great to see Mike and Leah last night!
I think that the show went pretty well, really.
However, I'm really wondering if I'll have an audience at all, tonight, so, don't bother about booking a seat, but please, if you're around locally, do come along!
Yours in a panic...
Earl.
Broadway Baby Bistro, West 53rd/8th Avenue.
7pm Tonight, Saturday, only!
> If any of you are interested in joining us, Leah and I are going to see
> (and hear, of course) Earl's show tonight at 7PM at the Broadway Baby
> Bistro (also known as The Music Box) 318 WEST 53RD STREET, (Between 8th
> & 9th Avenues). There is a $15 food and drink minimum plus a $20 music
> charge, but it goes to a good cause (Earl). On the phone they said
> reservations were necessary, and if you are coming, call and add your
> number to our two under the name Biel so they would seat us together if
> they have tables as such. Neither of us have been to the place so we
> are not sure what they are like. Dress can be casual (spats are
> optional). Their phone number is 212 - 757 - 5808, they accept credit
> cards, and their web pages are:
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/Calendar0811.shtml
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/MusicBox0811.shtml#OKIN
>
> I hope some of you might be able to come with us tonight (Friday). (You
> might want to tell us you are coming at 718-909-3483.)
>
> He is also playing there on Sat night as well.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:56:34 -0500
> From: Doug Pomeroy <pomeroyaudio at att.net>
> Subject: [78-L] Re; Thinking of replacing my Owl 1
> To: 78-list <78-l at 78online.com>
> Message-ID: <C216B551-BE26-404A-A2A5-215EE3B3FFD0 at att.net>
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>
> >
> The last page of the product description has graphs
> showing s/n at various frequencies. If you write to
> TDL I believe they can probably give you distortion
> figures as well.
>
> DOug
> ============================================
>
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:02:24 -0800
> > From: Jeffrey Lichtman <swazoo at rcn.com>
> > Subject: [78-L] Thinking of replacing my Owl 1
> > To: 78-l at 78online.com
> > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20081113133836.0357ed80 at pop.rcn.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > For years I have been using an Owl 1 pre-amp for playing 78s. It has
> > starting giving me trouble in the past few months, so I'm thinking of
> > replacing it. Unfortunately, most pre-amps that have comparable
> > functions are very expensive. What I need are:
> >
> > - selectable equalization curves (preferably with turnover and
> > rolloff separately selectable)
> > - channel selection: left, right, left + right, left - right (for
> > vertical recordings)
> >
> > I don't generally use the Owl's hiss and rumble filters - I prefer to
> > do this filtering after recording. It would be nice to have a stereo
> > output mode to allow the selection of the quieter channel
> > dynamically, but I've been doing without this for so long that I
> > don't see it as a necessity.
> >
> > The company that made the Owl 1 is out of business, so I can't send
> > it in for repair. It's possible that I can repair it myself - the
> > problem is that one channel drops out, and flicking the power switch
> > off and on will bring it back for a while. I suspect the problem is
> > the power switch itself.
> >
> > If I can't repair the Owl I will have to replace it. I found a
> > company in New Mexico that makes a comparable unit called the TDL
> > Technology Model 4010. They have a web site with the unit described
> > here:
> >
> > http://www.tdl-tech.com/data4010.htm
> >
> > The price is right at $487, but it bothers me that they don't publish
> > technical specs that I can find: things like S/N ratio, distortion,
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone here have experience with this pre-amp? Can anyone
> > suggest a different one?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > - Jeff Lichtman
> > swazoo at rcn.com
> > Check out Swazoo Koolak's Web
> > Jukebox at
> > http://swazoo.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:00:46 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DE6FE.5090206 at sympatico.ca>
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>
> It's a little more complicated than that for recordings made in the studio.
> Beginning in early 1940, Columbia began recording its masters at 33RPM on
> sixteen inch discs, still using 4-minute takes, which they'd then copy to 78
> for commercial issue. This actually began as a backup system, and they might
> have anticipated the long-playing record becoming a reality, for which they'd
> want high quality source material, better than just playing back 78s. Most of
> the other companies began to follow the same pattern in the mid 40s. Tape
> didn't come into use in the US till 1948-49, about the same time as the LP was
> launched. By then, the system was reversed..they could record continuous long
> movements but they still had to have short takes to issue on 78 and 45. I don't
> think Wozzeck was issued on 78s but I'll bet that it still has 78-RPM take
> numbers in the files.
>
> Toscanini was notorious for refusing to start and stop for record sides, so
> even in the studio, most of his recordings were made in continuous mode. You
> can hear chopped notes at the beginnings and ends of sides in such works as the
> William Tell Overture and Beethoven's 5th Symphony (and of course the 7th, with
> its long blank gaps, and the Eroica, taken from a broadcast).
>
> dl
>
> Pablo Varela wrote:
> > Thank you! I hearded that were made in that way but I someone told me about a Brunswick machine that have some kind of automatition in the process.
> > I have Mahler Ninth only in CD, but I have 1947 Tchaikowsky Pathetique by Toscanini in LP and I asume that was made as you said, and I have a Columbia box with Berg's Wozzeck by Mitropoulos in 33 RPM wich offer a list of complete operas in 33, 45 and 78 RPM.
> > I suppose that those operas were mastered in 78 and then joint in LPs.
> > Thanks again.
> > Pablo.
> > ?
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:52:01 -0500
> > From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> > To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Message-ID: <491B41F1.1040005 at sympatico.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > This was done on many recordings, such as most of Toscanini's in the 1930s,
> > by
> > feeding the audio to one cutter and having a second one ready when the
> > engineers were getting near where the record should end. Then they switched the
> >
> > audio feed to the second cutter. Sometimes this was a very abrupt change and
> > there would be a lot of blank grooves at the beginning of the second side while
> >
> > they waited for an appropriate place to make the change (and sometimes they
> > were almost too late).
> >
> > Some recordings were made at 33RPM on long-playing sixteen-inch discs and
> > transferred later to 78.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Pablo Varela wrote:
> >> Hello all :)
> >> I have a big doubt about history of recording of live events in 78's
> > era.
> >> For example, what kind of machine was used for recording Mahler's
> > Ninth by Bruno Walter in Viena 1938. Common shellacs have 4 minutes playback by
> > side. How was recording this performance without a break?
> >> I hope I was clear because I usually speak in spanish.
> >> Thank you in advance.
> >> Pablo Varela.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Cocina
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:12:17 -0600
> From: "Robert Shirer" <rshirer at neb.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <003501c9469d$ad1df040$6401a8c0 at DENCOMPUTER>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Hi,
> Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>
> and a link there for access to the archives:
>
> The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> us. Long may he prosper.
>
> We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> left the fold. So it goes.
>
> Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> you want to know and what your interests are.
> Cheers,
> Bob Shirer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
>
>
> I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> family archives.
> Since, I have read most messages, resulting in great satisfaction and
> learning.
> I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> of expertise.
> Keep it this way.
> I have a few questions:
> Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> Who were the founders?
> Regards...
> '''
> (0 0)
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:17:19 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DEADF.8070507 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Just to add one thing to Bob's reference to threads veering off topic, which is
> often unavoidable. A few years ago we began asking that posters place a ^ in
> the subject line. This indicates non-78RPM related comments (although not
> always) and I think there was a technical reason for it, something to do with
> bypassing inboxes of people who didn't want to be bothered with unrelated
> responses.
>
> dl
>
> Robert Shirer wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> > few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> > wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> > and a link there for access to the archives:
> >
> > The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> > mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> > few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> > Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> > us. Long may he prosper.
> >
> > We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> > sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> > threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> > title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> > indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> > left the fold. So it goes.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> > you want to know and what your interests are.
> > Cheers,
> > Bob Shirer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> > Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
> >
> >
> > I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> > My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> > family archives.
> > Since, I have read most messages, resulting in great satisfaction and
> > learning.
> > I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> > I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> > of expertise.
> > Keep it this way.
> > I have a few questions:
> > Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> > When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> > Who were the founders?
> > Regards...
> > '''
> > (0 0)
> > ___,,,^..^,,,__/----oOO---(_)---OOo---
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:25:25 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DECC5.7020807 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I don't understand this.
> Back in the 30's and earlier, sound engineers for film knew about and
> used the segue, cross-fading and other basic tools of the trade. Why the
> hell did the major labels chop, dice and rice material that was longer
> than 3 or 4 minutes, especially on album sets or 2 sided records? Why
> not start the second disc cutter before the first cutter was finished
> and then fade out/in so there was just a little overlap, and thereby no
> missing notes, bars, movements, etc.?
> Makes no sense... unless they were worried about automatic players. Even
> so, it still makes no sense.
> I guess you don't have to have brains to be a butcher.
> M
>
> *******
>
> David Lennick wrote:
> >
> > Toscanini was notorious for refusing to start and stop for record sides, so
> > even in the studio, most of his recordings were made in continuous mode. You
> > can hear chopped notes at the beginnings and ends of sides in such works as the
> > William Tell Overture and Beethoven's 5th Symphony (and of course the 7th, with
> > its long blank gaps, and the Eroica, taken from a broadcast).
> >
> > dl
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:31:45 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hello and a question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DEE41.6010509 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Stokowski asked the same question, and his stuff in the early to mid 30s WAS
> faded. Often at the worst possible time, as in the Rachmaninoff Rhapsody where
> fades occur in mid-note, to say nothing of mid-variation, often with not enough
> of the overlapped note at full volume to permit a good join (believe me, I've
> dealt with this one a few times). HMV actually dubbed that entire album, very
> successfully, to get rid of those fades and end the sides at natural breaks.
> They were so successful you'd swear they had a master source to work from, and
> considering that Victor did try recording continuous works on film, that would
> have made sense (except that it definitely is dubbed from 78s, since they
> missed getting one join perfect).
>
> dl
>
> Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
> > I don't understand this.
> > Back in the 30's and earlier, sound engineers for film knew about and
> > used the segue, cross-fading and other basic tools of the trade. Why the
> > hell did the major labels chop, dice and rice material that was longer
> > than 3 or 4 minutes, especially on album sets or 2 sided records? Why
> > not start the second disc cutter before the first cutter was finished
> > and then fade out/in so there was just a little overlap, and thereby no
> > missing notes, bars, movements, etc.?
> > Makes no sense... unless they were worried about automatic players. Even
> > so, it still makes no sense.
> > I guess you don't have to have brains to be a butcher.
> > M
> >
> > *******
> >
> > David Lennick wrote:
> >> Toscanini was notorious for refusing to start and stop for record sides, so
> >> even in the studio, most of his recordings were made in continuous mode. You
> >> can hear chopped notes at the beginnings and ends of sides in such works as the
> >> William Tell Overture and Beethoven's 5th Symphony (and of course the 7th, with
> >> its long blank gaps, and the Eroica, taken from a broadcast).
> >>
> >> dl
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:30:51 -0700
> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Seeing Earl Okin TONIGHT in NYC
> To: "David Weiner" <djwein at earthlink.net>
> Cc: '78-L Mail List' <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Unless we spend time with Earl afterwards (or even if we DO) we'll try
> to make it.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [78-L] Seeing Earl Okin TONIGHT in NYC
> From: "David Weiner" <djwein at earthlink.net>
> Date: Fri, November 14, 2008 3:50 pm
> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Cc: <mbiel at mbiel.com>
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Can't make it to Earl tonite, but I will be close by - having dinner
> with a
> bunch of my show music/theater friends at the Westway Diner, 9th Ave
> between
> 43rd & 44th. We will be there from 7:30-9:15-ish; some of the guys are
> OTR
> buffs and would be delighted to meet you, if you get out of the Bistro
> early
> enough to stop by.
>
> Dave W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Michael Biel
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:41 PM
> To: 78-L Mail List
> Subject: [78-L] Seeing Earl Okin TONIGHT in NYC
>
> If any of you are interested in joining us, Leah and I are going to see
> (and hear, of course) Earl's show tonight at 7PM at the Broadway Baby
> Bistro (also known as The Music Box) 318 WEST 53RD STREET, (Between 8th
> & 9th Avenues). There is a $15 food and drink minimum plus a $20 music
> charge, but it goes to a good cause (Earl). On the phone they said
> reservations were necessary, and if you are coming, call and add your
> number to our two under the name Biel so they would seat us together if
> they have tables as such. Neither of us have been to the place so we
> are not sure what they are like. Dress can be casual (spats are
> optional). Their phone number is 212 - 757 - 5808, they accept credit
> cards, and their web pages are:
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/Calendar0811.shtml
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/
>
> http://www.broadwaybabybistro.com/MusicBox0811.shtml#OKIN
>
> I hope some of you might be able to come with us tonight (Friday). (You
> might want to tell us you are coming at 718-909-3483.)
>
> He is also playing there on Sat night as well.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:32:23 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <491DEE67.9070207 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> No, it wasn't that. I think that the caret (^) was just a convenient way
> for the reader to dump any and all posts so marked, knowing in advance
> that reading them would only irritate said reader.
> I was trying to figure a way that anything so marked would keep careted
> posts from showing up on the www or the internet. There's no need for
> anyone offlist to ever see them.
> No luck there.
> M
>
> *******
>
> David Lennick wrote:
> > Just to add one thing to Bob's reference to threads veering off topic, which is
> > often unavoidable. A few years ago we began asking that posters place a ^ in
> > the subject line. This indicates non-78RPM related comments (although not
> > always) and I think there was a technical reason for it, something to do with
> > bypassing inboxes of people who didn't want to be bothered with unrelated
> > responses.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Robert Shirer wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> >> few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> >> wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> >> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >>
> >> and a link there for access to the archives:
> >>
> >> The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> >> mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> >> few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> >> Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> >> us. Long may he prosper.
> >>
> >> We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> >> sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> >> threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> >> title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> >> indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> >> left the fold. So it goes.
> >>
> >> Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> >> you want to know and what your interests are.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Bob Shirer
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> >> Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
> >>
> >>
> >> I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> >> My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> >> family archives.
> >> Since, I have read most messages, resulting in great satisfaction and
> >> learning.
> >> I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> >> I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> >> of expertise.
> >> Keep it this way.
> >> I have a few questions:
> >> Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> >> When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> >> Who were the founders?
> >> Regards...
> >>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:46:32 -0500
> From: soundthink at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <8CB14B997DB9F42-AF4-1254 at webmail-mf17.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Maybe we should inaugurate another symbol for "tut-tuttery."
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 1:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Newbie comment
>
>
>
> Just to add one thing to Bob's reference to threads veering off topic, which is
> often unavoidable. A few years ago we began asking that posters place a ^ in
> the subject line. This indicates non-78RPM related comments (although not
> always) and I think there was a technical reason for it, something to do with
> bypassing inboxes of people who didn't want to be bothered with unrelated
> responses.
>
> dl
>
> Robert Shirer wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Welcome. I've been on the list since shortly after its inception--with a
> > few times out for sabbaticals--, and I continue to enjoy the expertise and
> > wit of most of its members. There is an information page about the list:
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
> > and a link there for access to the archives:
> >
> > The list was founded by Doug Elliot at Cornell University many years ago,
> > mid-90s I believe (somebody might be able to be more precise), and after a
> > few crises of host-servers and things beyond my non-technical imagination,
> > Ron Fial, the current list owner and administrator, stepped in and rescued
> > us. Long may he prosper.
> >
> > We go through phases, and lengthy threads, of solid musical,
> > sound-technical, and discographical information, and eventually some of the
> > threads evolve (some huffily suggest degenerate) into lengthy pun wars, song
> > title one-upsmanship, or just plain silliness. I enjoy that; some members
> > indulge in some annoyed tut-tuttery, and some very valuable members have
> > left the fold. So it goes.
> >
> > Glad to have you aboard. Hope you stay and contribute what you know, what
> > you want to know and what your interests are.
> > Cheers,
> > Bob Shirer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "P G C" <re_p_g_c at yahoo.com>
> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:37 AM
> > Subject: [78-L] Newbie comment
> >
> >
> > I joined this list just a few weeks ago.
> > My main interest was to find some discography of old discs I found in my
> > family archives.
> > Since, I have read most messa
> ges, resulting in great satisfaction and
> > learning.
> > I want to congratulate all members of the list, is much more active of what
> > I thought, been formal, most members have a notable sense of humor and a lot
> > of expertise.
> > Keep it this way.
> > I have a few questions:
> > Is there an archive of messages? (For a newbie and to consult)
> > When the list started? (Maybe in a different form, like a "news group")
> > Who were the founders?
> > Regards...
> > '''
> > (0 0)
> > ___,,,^..^,,,__/----oOO---(_)---OOo---
> >
> >
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